manufacturers and car manufacturers but then with mickey and alcoa, they just want domestic. then you see the manufacturers as support a cap-and-trade but we did assuming we would lobby china and india to restrain their e missions. but the growing countries, imagine if you were dirt-poor four years while western europe his burning coal, getting rich and building skyscrapers parker is just 32 trickle and then the u.n. says and by the way that cheap energy? you cannot do that it a more. you will not stand for that if you are the third world. i think if we will get anything, the rich countries will go ahead and constrained 30 missions and then pay for subsidizing clean energy in the three days third world. that is the most you get as far as co-operation. more questions? i will follow-up on the global warming stuff right now. general electric is having eighth joint venture called greenhouse guest services that deals with carbon offset and greenhouse guest. what they have done for example,, they have on a trash heap bid north carolina they are sucking all the methane guest. 23 mor