lisa: i want to have you read a passage about alec murdoch in chapter four.: he was a kind of guy who could in the course of the day score some pills, cheat on his long-suffering wife, fix three different court cases in three different counties, head to the little league field to catch one of his son's teams and then host the after party for players families. lisa: he spent years committing massive fraud and he lied to the police on the night of his wife and son's murders yet he took the defense stand. in the end, how did you come to understand this man and is he someone who understands the truth himself? valerie: hevalerie: gave us two days of who he was when he took the stand in his homicide case but he also talked an additional five minutes on interrupted back in november. he was finally sentenced for stealing millions of dollars. you know, i watched him. i can remember putting my pencil down and leaning forward and being like, he doesn't know himself. he is a walking mirage and nobody really knew him. lisa: do you think he is someone who believes he is ab