joins me now to discuss the opportunities and pit falls of this fourth industrial revolution is alec rosshe's the grandson of a man that dug coal out of the mines in west virginia. alec was a senior adviser on innovation to the secretary of state whose job was to take a lead diplomatic role on policies around cyber security and internet freedom. he's the author of a must read new book, "the industries of the future." in the book he said this new digital revolution will generate prosperity for millions of people worldwide, but at a cost. he estimates it will eliminate some 5 million jobs around the globe because of the trend toward automation and digital marketplaces. alec ross joins me now. great to see you. i'm so much smarter for reading it book, but it speaks to an issue we talked a lot about on this show. the dirty little secret behind the remarkable advances and great valuations we put on tech companies are the people who like your grandparents, the people you worked with and grew up in west virginia. le the coal workers that decrease in value to our society. this revolution is going

joining me is alec ross, the grandson of a man who dug the coal out of the mines of west virginia. alec was advisor on innovation to the the secretary of secretary of state. author of a must read new book, the industries of the future. in the book he says this new digital revolution connecting everything and everyone will generate prosperity for millions of people worldwide. but at a cost. he estimates that it will also eliminate some 5 million jobs around the globe because of the trend towards automation. alec, good to see you. i'm so much smarter for reading this book. the dirty little secret behind the remarkable advances and the great valuations we put on tech companies are the people who, like your grandparents, the people you worked with and grew up with in west virginia, the coal workers who are now decreasing in value and important to our society, that's going to do this revolution we're in is going to do this to droves of other people. >> that's exactly right. if you think of the last wave of automation it really displaced the work of men with strong shoulder working in por

. ♪ ♪ charlie: alec ross is here. he is a visiting fellow at johns hopkins university.ed under secretary clinton and traveled around the globe to discover advances in technology and the web. he has written a book called "the change to calm." walter isaacson said that future is already having an effect, and ross shows how it can be frightening. i'm pleased to have him here. alec: thank you for having me. charlie: you say that you wish your father and grandfather could have seen the impact of globalization, the impact that globalization would bring around the world. how would it have affected them? alec: growing up in western virginia when i did was to live in a world of constant economic decline. i thought that was happening around the world. i thought everyone was having to old on as tight as they could. when i was putting myself through college, i had to work on a beer truck and a midnight janitor to get through. and i think that if they had understood lunch time digitizer nation and globalization over the last 20 years, if somebody had lit a little path for them, they

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