aleem maqbool, thank you very much indeed. staying with that, pakistan's interior minister has told the bbc that this government will survive. he's been speaking to our correspondent in islamabad. >> i think this is unnecessary. the demand given by the people of pakistan is five years. well, if you're referring to whatever is going on in the country, it will not affect, and democracy, ups and downs will be there. yes, we do have a bumpy flight, but this is a really nice way, so i think it is totally uncalled for. but this is not going to go properly, and we'll have election in time. >> but aren't you having a real crisis now with the army? there's open speculation about -- >> well, i won't say crisis, no. the difference of opinion is always there, but you can't say there's some kind of distress going on. we are on the same page, and, of course, they were subjected to this, and that will happen in due course of time. >> if you're on the same page with the army, why are the statements between and the army so hostile? >> well, i