sessions, kirstjen nielsen, steven miller, mike pompeo, alex azhar, john kelly, the white house chief of staff at the time, chris liddell, a deputy chief of staff, mark short, now chief of staff to the president of the united states. all of these people were invited to be at these meetings at a time when separations were happening and had been happening but not at the scale that steven miller had wanted to see them happen. he was pushing for an across-the-board massive separation. and kirstjen miller fwas the ony one pushing back. this will be a massive logistical failure if they move forward with the policy, not on moral grounds, that this was going to be government sanctioned child abuse, but on the grounds that they just weren't ready to do so. and irrespective of that, after this vote, she went back to the ronald reagan building at her office, signed a decision memo and it was off to the races of child separation that we all know about and have seen the pictures to this day. >> it struck me that no one made the argument that this was inhumane, no one made a moral argument against