it was alex epstein debating general wesley clarke and you can find both of those debates on steamboat institutes youtube channel today. we have alex epson, but we have a different debate opponent and let me briefly introduce. i will read their bios, and then i believe they are going to come up to the stage after i introduce them. we're very pleased to have with us this morning professor andrew desler. he's a professor of atmospheric science at texas a&m university. professor destler is a climate scientist who studies both the science and politics of climate change. he is the rita a heinz chair in geosciences at texas a&m in 2022. he was named director of texas a&m's, texas center for climate studies. professor destler also served in the clinton administration during the the last year he served as a senior policy analyst in the white house office of science and technology policy his latest book introduction to modern climate change won the 2014 american meteorological societies louis j. batten authors award. we are also pleased to have alex epstein he is the president and founder of th

in that case it was alex epstein debating general wesley clark, and you can find both of those on steamt suit's youtube channel. today weps have alex, but we hae a different debate opponent. and let me briefly introduce, i will reed their -- read their bios, and they are going to come up to the stage after i introduce them. we are very pleased to have professor andrew dessler, professor of atmospheric science at texas a&m university, a climate scientist whos science and politic es -- studies both politics and science of climate change. in 2022 the he was named director of texas a&m's texas center for climate studies. professor dessler also served in the clinton administration during thehe last year. he served as a senior policy analyst in the white house office of science and technology policy. his latest book, "introduction to modern climate change," won the 2014 american meteorological society's louis j. baton author's award. we are also pleased to have alex epstein, president and founder of the center for industrial progress, author of the moral case for fossil fuels. alex is a philo

we also pleased to have alex epstein president and founder center for industrial progress he is in philosopher that argues and is the author and he is known for his willingness to debate anyone or any time and then looking at sierra club and greenpeace with the morality of fossil fuel use. so then this morning debate is the editorial page editor. and a longtime journalist and more than 25 year veteran for the colorado political scene a senior legislative staffer in the political consultant please welcome them to the stage. [applause] let's get down to business that you have had introductions. that everybody can see me but you can hearat my voice. and that proposition it for today shed america rapidly eliminate fossil fuel use through climate catastrophe? he will have andrew go first and then he can have a chance to read that anything he feels that he needs to address. is the most important thing so what is the best way to generate energy so talk about the disadvantages of fossil fuels so explain why i am personally concerned about climate change go back to the last ice age basically what north