that the interview he gave alex haley, that alex haley misquoted his comments and that change the historicalof the relationship between martin luther king and malcolm x. tell us about that. >> this is one of the most shocking discoveries i made. as a routine, if somebody does a good interview with my subject, i will look for the transcripts, the notes to see if they left anything out. i went to look for the alex haley interview. the tapes were not available. the transcripts were. they were at duke university group library. i was shocked because the most famous criticism that dr. king had of malcolm x was that his demagogic oratory would bring nothing but grief, that the violence would bring nothing but harm to black people. king never said that. the quotes had been changed dramatically. we had been telling the story of the relationship between martin luther king and malcolm x for generations based in part on that quote. the sense that martin luther king had this antagonism. what he said was i do not know that i have all the answers. i am interested in what malcolm epps has to say. i do not l

that the interview that he gave alex haley that alex haley miss -- misquoted his comments. and that forever changed the historical view of the relationship between martin luther king and malcolm x. tell us about that and how you discovered it. jonathan: this is one of the most shocking discoveries that i made, you know, as a routine when i'm writing a book, if someone does a good interview with my subject, i'll look for the original tapes of that interview. i look for the transcripts of the tapes, the notes just to see if they left anything out. and i went to look for the alex haley interview, the longest interview ever published with martin luther king jr. and the tapes were not available. but the transcripts were and they were at duke university's rubenstein library. and when i read through the transcripts, i was shocked because the most famous criticism that martin luther king had of malcolm x came from that interview in playboy when he said that martin luther king said that malcolm's fiery demagogic oratory would bring nothing but grief. that his violence was doing noth

talk about the significance of how alex haley shaped the narrative for so many decades and who haleye was one of the best-known african-american journalists of his era. he wrote for a lot of mainstream white publications like reader's digest and playboy. the one for playboy what the longest published interview that king ever gave. it had significant impact in reached a lot of white readers who are not otherwise going to be exposed to such a long interview with king. because of the comments that king made were supposedly made about malcolm x, it has been handed down for decades, for generations that this is what king thought about malcolm x and as you pointed out in the introduction, largely fabricated. amy: talk about how you found this out and what you understand king really thought about malcolm x? the actually only met in person once, right, in washington, d.c.? although malcolm x did go to selma and talk about what he said to mark luther king's wife coretta scott king. >> yes, the men only met once and malcolm was speaking in tuskegee and students said king was in selma and he co

it was based on a 1976 book by alex haley about his family in africa and coming to america as slavestory. it's not just black america's story. >> we might have come over in the bottom of the ship, but we all came over on ships. >> my name means stay put. but it don't mean stay a slave. >> as a 19-year-old kid, "roots" was my first job. >> we're not children. we're very close to being men. >> what's your name? >> kunta. kunta kintae. >> the character that i got to portray in "roots," kunta kintae, the adult, was a dream role. >> it was really genius to cast all of america's favorite television dads in the roles of the white slave owners and the villains. >> i'll be by to fetch ya in the morning, captain. sleep well. >> it is difficult to explain in today's culture how unprecedented "roots" was. no one had ever seen the story of slavery before told from the point of view of the africans. >> it may be the first time that television allowed an embracing of black pride. >> them is free. is free, honey. >> one of the reasons that "roots" was so incredibly popular is not because abc had so

. >> jimmy: how's the family, how's phil and alex and luke and haley. >> julie: those aren't my familyat? >> julie: i'm a divorced mother of three. >> jimmy: what? are you telling me that show wasn't real? >> julie: i know. it would be great if it was real. although i do still live, i live really close to noel and i see him a lot. it's fun when you go out with somebody from modern family and plus they're like is this a brady bunch situation? because didn't mrs. brady do greg. >> jimmy: i think mrs. brady did. >> julie: that's a fact right? >> jimmy: i think it's a fact. i haven't confirmed it with her but i'm pretty sure that happened, with greg right? >> julie: guillermo. >> guillermo: what? >> julie: did mrs. brady [bleep] greg. >> guillermo: yeah, i think so. >> julie: it's a fact. he's 24 and is good looking and tall. >> jimmy: how old was he when he start. >> julie: 11 snoop he was in the cub scouts. e ins. jmy he was there to make you look not pregnant. >> julie: to make me look slim >> jimmy: and now --. >> julie: and now i'm dating him. it worked for mrs. brady. >> jimmy: i don