veering toward conspiracy theories and big foot and ufo and area 51 and almost starts at a look like alex jones. it is like calm down and let's stick to reality. >> you talk about area 51. are you not a believer? >> it is real and exists. it is a government operation and a base where they test experimental aircraft. that is for sure true. but of course what so-called believers think is they engineered alien spacecraft and no evidence of this at all. you and i are not going to find out. they are not going to let us in. i can't prove there is an alien space raft there. you prove it is. what is the more logical conclusion and that is of course governments keep secrets and lie to citizens about national security issues. that is true. when conspiracy theorists talk about governments lying to citizens about what is going on yeah, but so what? that dozen mean aliens visited us. i think it is good to chekeep i mind the evidence of positive and negative. >> is there a real debate in this country about evolution and creationism? >> there is a debate amongst a small group of fundamentalist christians who

alex jones claim to have sources all throughout the government.rge sort rose did not fund these people what he's saying g is not true. >> just to be clear, the interview with him wasn't about charlottesville right? >> no. >> he just brought this up? >> yeah. we were interviewing him about a constituents suing him for blocking her on facebook. we asked him why block these people. he tried to draw a line of a presentation between steve scalise and hatred on facebook. he kept bringing up antifa. finally was like antifa's on the news because of a white sprem mist really, that's when he launched into this. >> have you seen anyone speaking out against his public? >> no. >> to your knowledge no one has saying this is ash sorted on offensive. >> no that i've seen. another congressman has accused the protesters there being civil war reenactivists who were tricked by someone. that's all i've seen. >> great to have you on. >>> when we come back a dust off between melania trump and ivan ya. this is a bizarre turn of efforts. to retirement. at fidelity, you ge

striven so they will steer toward conspiracy theories or the ufo or area 51 and start to look like alex jones. [laughter] but reality doesn't get as good of rating so maybe we need c-span for science id get would sell because science is school. >> are you not a believer of area 51?. >> it is real. it exist it is a military base with a test experimental aircraft for short is true but the beavers think they engineer alien spacecraft but of course, we will not find out they will not let us end of we go down the dirt road at some point there is at gate so i cannot prove there is not alien spacecraft that can prove that there is. so we have a logical conclusion of course, government keeps quiet about national security that is true with the conspiracy theory talks about lying about what is really going on. yes. but so what that does it mean aliens have visited were there is a conspiracy theory but keep in mind the difference between positive and negative evidence i cannot prove the negative but to claman say that there are that is not for me to disprove that. >> host: michael shermer is there a deb

congress when, in fact, it seems like he's getting just getting stuff from alex jones. >> that seems the news is coming from. alex jones claims to have sources all throughout the government but george soros didn't fund these people and what he's saying is not true. >> for the record, billionaire george soros, does fund causes, but a spokeswoman for his foundation fired back at the accusation made by the congressman saying he was 14 during the war and didn't collaborate with the nazis and didn't confiscate anybody's property. he says he witnessed the con fi skags of propercon fi sk evidence he took part in it. as to who organized the rally, it would be be a mr. kessler. according to vice news, he posted a youtube video railing against what he calls white genocide. since congressman gosar made the comments three weeks ago, we asked him on the program, gave him an open invitation to appear at any time. his office has declined. we sent randi kaye to find the congressman. she did and joins us now with the details. you tracked him down today. what he said he say? >> reporter: we caught up

ward has the blessing of the right's most notable conspiracy theorist infowars host, alex jones.is job, posing for heart attack symptom posters. [ laughter ] and interviewed ward last year when she was running against senator john mccain. and listen to this bizarre exchange which alex jones hinted that mccain may be trying to kill her. >> i just want you to watch your back, because that guy is just such a gangster. >> yes, you know, i've had people who tell me, you know, to get an auto starter on my car. that s i really hope that things haven't gotten that far out of control that i should be fearful for my life. but we are very cautious. >> seth: that's right. some gop candidates are now afraid of their own cars. oh, that's probably why roy moore rode a horse to the polls. [ light laughter ] but maybe we should all be cautious, because while steve bannon claims that his mercer-backed conspiracy theory candidates, want to shake up washington d.c., they will be just like every other politician whose beholden to their donors and if they actually succeed and get elected, they're just

the news is coming from, alex jones claims to have sources all throughout the government, but gorge not fund these people. what he's saying is not true. >> just to be clear, the point of your interview with him, it wasn't even about charlottesville, right? >> no. >> he just brought this up. >> right. yeah. we were interviewing him about a constituent who is suing him for blocking her on facebook. it's an interesting first amendment case and we asked him why block these people. he tried to draw a line between the attempted assassination of steve scalise and hateful conversations on facebook. and he kept bringing up antifa. and i was like antifa is in the news because of a white supremacist rally and that's when he launched into this. >> have you seen any republican congress men speaking out against this. >> no, i have not. >> no one is saying this is absurd, offensive. >> nothing that i've seen. another congressman, dana roar backer has accused the protesters there of being civil war -- >> it's great to have you on again. thanks very much. >> when we come back, a dust up between firs

alex jones joins us right now. you have a new story out right now today were the main headline seems to be that apple, at least from where it started with facial recognition technology, decided to downgrade that technology in order to produce an adequate mass scale. please clarify what i said. technology was previously only in the microsoft connect, the large hardback book. they reduced it down to a few centimeters across and a few millimeters deep. the margin of error in that is tiny. in order to make it possible for their suppliers and component makers and assemblers, who build them into a package and are of the to the foxconn's world, they had to reduce the specifications in order to ship it in the quantities needed. emily: is the technology going to be any different than advertised? a consumer perspective, i don't think anybody will be able to tell the difference. the difference they were talking about, one in 50,000 people could spoof your fingerprint. face id, one in a million. from our sourcing, they cut som

decision and i think he went with transparency, did the right thing and certainly it appeals to that alex jonesd thinking that there's smoking guns everywhere. >> one thing is for sure, there is this enduring fascination with his life and his death and the circumstances surrounding it. douglas brinkley, thank you given. >> thanks. >> and as we go to break, let's listen in as singer songwriter robert earl keen performs at the hurricane relief concert. >>> in south florida today, unimaginable sadness and loss for the family of a u.s. soldier killed in combat overseas. that was la david johnson's wife you saw kissing his casket, now widow, six months pregnant with two little children we see in the video. it is the burial ceremony and final resting place for the army sergeant. he was 25 years old when his unit was ambushed by ice yes, sir -- isis in niger. he wasn't the only one, there were three other service members. here's pentagon correspondent barbara starr. >> sergeant ladavid johnson was find nearly a mile away. they all caution this is the early picture and the investigation continues. the

. >> i have always said the most honest thing that alex jones has ever uttered is the name of his showis is a belief that this is not a debate on facts but it is weaponizing information. true or false? >> absolutely true where we see people on both sides of the aisle and people -- it is impossible to look at facebook now without seeing, looking at the source of where is this coming from because that seems to be what we are getting right now. it also i don't think you can -- i think the buck has to stop with the white house because i think at a time when you have our elected leaders and the members of the trump administration standing before the american people, there used to be a time where as president you should know that there are things that you cannot say. you cannot come out in front of the american people and say demonstratively false statements. >> meaning i did not sleep with that woman. >> he got a lot of flack for that. >> they bought into president trump in the republican party and feel like they have to get a tax plan through and health care reformed. and senator schumer s

i think with the drudge report started leaking to alex jones at info wars and i think that had somethingit. i think a lot of people had a hand in this. >> there one person above all. i think about the -- the fak that we had a news organization run by a political operative, in roger ailes and he was a culture warrior and he a specific way he knew how to get at gut level, when he was a campaign consultant and used the same tactics to market news and commentary. and so how much did that contribute, for instance. >>, to your audience. >> it contributed. fox news is a major player here. the rise of conservative talk radio which i was part of, a major role and then also the explosion of the complete alternative reality eco-system centered on breitbart.com and what social media did. so you had a -- you had a trend line where you had many of the voices that i think shape the narrative but then they were amplified in ways that i think took a lot of people in the mainstream very much by surprise. >> it also seemed for some reason that it just became easier to get at culture -- it is easier to talk

you think he sounded even more incoherent there than usual, conspiracy theorists and trump ally, alex joness an explanation. >> it's known that most presidents end up getting drugged. small dosages of -- of sedatives 'til they build it up. trump's such a bull, he -- he hasn't fully understood it yet, but i've talked to people, multiple ones -- and they believe they are putting a slow sedative that they're building up, that's also addictive in his diet coke's and in his ice tea. and that the president by 6 or 7 at night is basically slurring his words and is drugged. [ light laughter ] >> seth: that's how bad things are right now. the president's allies are defending him by saying, "he's not incompetent, he's being secretly drugged." now the trump administration has not actually released a detailed tax plan, so we don't know much about it aside from the vague promises trump has made. his chief economic advisor, gary cohn has insisted that they at least have the outlines of a plan and are trying to add details to it before announcing it. but he keeps using one very gross metaphor. >> we're no

killings, but particularly because the right-wing conspiracy theorists of the world, like infowars and alex jones and all these people have spent years promoting that the sandy hook killings were somehow a hoax and these families really didn't lose their kids. it's part of some government plot to come take away your guns. so this printed evidence that the fbi has just released, evidence of fbi agents interviewing every possible chance that there might have been some plot behind it, you know, all of this evidence of the legwork that the fbi did to nail down that case and what happened there, it will be taken out of context and used to torment these poor families further. we are coming up on the five-year anniversary of the sandy hook massacre. these families are closing in on a time where more time will have passed on earth since their children were killed than more time lapsed that their children were alive. this is a very difficult time for the sandy hook families, but for some reason today the fbi decided without warning they would dump all of these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of documen

. >> i have always said that the most honest thing that alex jones has ever uttered is the name of his show, info wars. a belief it's not a debate in facts but weaponizing information true or false. >> that's absolutely true. that's where we seem to be headed now where you see people on both sides of the aisle and people -- it's impossible to look at facebook now without seeing, you know, looking at the source of where is this coming from. that sort of thing. because that seems what we're getting right now. but it also -- i don't think you can -- you have -- i think the buck has to stop with the white house. because i think at a time when you have our elected leaders and the pointed members of the trump administration standing before the american people, there used to be a time where as president, you should know that there are things that you cannot say. you cannot come out in front of the american people and say demonstrably false -- make false statements. >> you know like i did not sleep with that woman, that demonstrably -- >> yeah, and he got a lot of flak for that. >> they're not

and alex jones. this to kind of, shall we say, deepen their critique of the deep state. that something will be clear. evidence will be gathered to show that the state was up to something zmch something. >> is there another movie in this for oliver stone? what do you think, i don't think you have to be a historian, and i understand their interest is a little different than say mine, but especially if you were alive at the time of the assassination, you kind of lived through all of the long investigations and the warn commission and the conspiracy theories. this is fascinating. >> it is going to have wow moments for people as we go back and are able to see what actually happened and see a fuller picture. at the same time, it will be a shock test for everybody. because if you believe in a conspiracy, second gunman on the grassy knoll, you will see things. and if you don't, you will see things to back up your point of view. so there will be an interesting debate that is not as serious as the ones we're h

. >> alex jones supported the president, finally has paid off. >> the one issue is there's a lot of publicascination, everybody agrees on that. but this is a president with a history of being a conspiracy theorist and he has not by public accounts consulted with anyone in the kennedy family about the release and i think that's pretty insensitive. >> on that note, congresswoman adam schiff tweeted, does this mean ted cruz's father will be exposed? some sarcasm there. we have to leave it there, everybody. thank you. a stark warning from the cia director. the u.s. needs to assume that kim jong-un is on the cusp of being able to hit the u.s. with a missile. how might the u.s. respond? that's next. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪ nature's bounty k

of the biggest names in a history of the planet earth she had vladimir putin yeah i don't trust alex jones i could take a three month old toddler saturday it pick a guess what i got better ratings she was beaten she would end up a good sixty minutes she was beaten by reruns of name that tune oh you know. what i want to hear what does n.b.c. have to say about this how was it did they see this coming could they not have anticipated this. you. know so what they did was they said oh my god jump into a hold of fat cheese ball let's put her on during that today's show get rid of al roker get rid tamron hall now she's on this show and. i had an berg let's go down the list out of the tape how did she do would she cut off tom brokaw in the middle of the big this was issued on gun control you don't do that debra messing was fearless who didn't know how she ended up with her and then in the best one ever she has jane fonda on and says change let's talk about your plastic surgery fund is it what are you talking about h one disaster by listen to this. after this show this nine o'clock there is no other

caller: when you have fox news, rush limbaugh, alex jones, and you end up with donald trump and his supportersthey are son of a bitches. host: we are going to keep our language and check. for this conversation. james from massachusetts, line for democrats. caller: i would like to make a couple of quick comments. first, it involves the censorship of the news that everybody is receiving. if we go along with msn with their comments, you do not get a discourse of what people think so that you can shop around and go to these different sites and try to get a balance of what is going on. i think it is a shame what is going on with the media because it is like this show here. we are calling in to give an opinion. with the media, they are just giving an opinion on the front page of the paper and everyone is taking it for gospel and that is not what is going on. everything these reporters are saying is serving their own purposes, the self paper -- to sell papers and ads on tv. it is not what america is all about, and the censorship on the web is unbelievable as you cannot have a discourse. true and says

> here is a president who gets some of nis news from the "national enquirer" and hangs out with alex jonessenate investigation into whether or not his secretary of state called him a moron? is that really what he wants? also this comes one day after we were sitting around doing heavy breathing about donald trump being the heeler in chief. how long did that last? was it one day? he reads a script of freeing us together and everybody goes, okay, donald trump is now growing into the office of the presidency, and it took, what, 18 hours for him to go on a tweet storm about fake news? >> 18 hours. kasie hunt on the hill, you've got a lot of republican lawmakers who say we can't talk about anything pertaining to the shooting. we must be respectful, we've got to stay away from it. wait a second, this bump stock issue, that looks pretty popular, let's start talking about that right now. it seems they want to talk about what they want to talk about, but they don't want to talk about what's politically unpopular right now. >> joe, there's been a lot of headlines in the last 4 hours saying, hey, cong

will come the league am alex take the news from behind the dow jones past twenty three thousand for the first time this weekend is game twenty five percent since the orange man became president why because the big banks and corporate america have fully capture the government they did before trump they did it was it was born run but now it's more evident you know that they're like a cat that actually killed a mouse a long time ago but only now showed up at your front door and just dropped the carcass on your fridge is like. that right. and regulators are looking. the other way while we're getting. some sort of reverse pornography but speaking of looking the other way this week new documents reveal just how much the u.s. knew about the nine hundred sixty five genocide in indonesia and yet look to the other way thirty nine us embassy in jakarta documents show the u.s. diplomatic personnel were fully aware aware of the scale and savagery of the nine hundred sixty five to sixty six killings basically anti-communist indonesian paramilitary leaders and military units massacred a million of the

also, a suggestion if you know anything about the whereabouts of hanna rose jones you are asked to call authorities, mike and alex. >> oh, boy, thanks, lauren. >> someone knows something. >> 7:05. in the bustleton section a 13 year-old calls the cops after noting is her grandmother was armed with a knife. police declared a barricade situation last night at 9200 block of bustleton avenue. when the authorities got to the scene they found the grand mother with a knife to her chest they were able to disarm her and no one was hurt. >>> a man is gunned down in an suv, in north philadelphia, police say that the 27 year-old was struck while sitting in the driver's seat, a 26 year-old man, was also shot in the car. he is going to be okay. the gun shot rang out on the 1700 block of erie avenue late last night. police are investigating, of course. >>> in kensington a man is dead and his killer is still on the run. police say that a 56 year-old man was found shot several times on jasper street. earlier this morning. he was rushed to temple hospital where he later died. police are reviewing nearby security cameras. >>> teache

alex, back to you. >>> lets get into this. a family is desperate for answers as police frantically look for her missing teenager linked to a bizarre investigation. authorities say that 14 year-old hanna jones was inside of a car that they stopped yesterday but then disappear. >> lauren johnson is joining us live from center city with more on this and the search for her. the fbi is now involved, lauren. >> that is right. >> reporter: fbi philadelphia division has gotten involved because they believe that this could be a situation of human trafficking. so now they are trying to find out where this girl is, and she's 14 years old hanna rose jones from florence township, new jersey. she was last seen inside that area sunday october 8th. it has been more than a week now. on saturday night authorities had good information to believe that she was in south philadelphia around 11:30. two members of an fbi philadelphia task force tried to pull over a car that they knew the girl was n they stopped the male driver on the thousand block of south seventh street. the driver stopped. then he took off hitting one of the officers and abandoning the car in the 900 block of johnston street. police spotted him

alex, thank you. >>> the search continues tonight for a missing burlington county teenager last seen in south philly. police in new jersey are still trying to determine whether or not hannah jones is a victim of human trafficking. police say she was last seen with this 32-year-old man early sunday morning on the 900 block of johnston street. he has since been charged with assaulting a police officer after fleeing and crashing into a sheriff deputy's patrol car. investigators say hannah jones fled the scene and was not with him when he was placed under arrest. >> philadelphia police are looking for the suspect who assaulted a wawa clerk last friday with a scalding hot coffee. henry rosoff has details from juniata. >> reporter: i just bought this cup of coffee and you can see the steam riding off of it a little bit and it's because of how dangerous this is when it's thrown at someone that police are taking this case so seriously. >> wow. when did this happen? >> reporter: we showed the video from friday afternoon to regular customers outside the wawa. a security camera clearly captures a man in a hat hurled the hot coffee in a clerk splashing it all over them and the rental ster.

alex, thank you. >>> the search continues tonight for a missing burlington county teenager last seen in south philly. police in new jersey are still trying to determine whether or not hannah jones is a victim of human trafficking. police say she was last seen with this 32-year-old man early sunday morning on the 900 block of johnston street. he has since been charged with assaulting a police officer after fleeing and crashing into a sheriff deputy's patrol car. investigators say hannah jones fled the scene and was not with him when he was placed under arrest. >> philadelphia police are looking for the suspect who assaulted a wawa clerk last friday with a scalding hot coffee. henry rosoff has details from juniata. >> reporter: i just bought this cup of coffee and you can see the steam riding off of it a little bit and it's because of how dangerous this is when it's thrown at someone that police are taking this case so seriously. >> wow. when did this happen? >> reporter: we showed the video from friday afternoon to regular customers outside the wawa. a security camera clearly captures a man in a hat hurled the hot coffee in a clerk splashing it all over them and the rental ster.

alex halley claimed that he did. is so i got oprah win tree, chris tucker, quincy jones, it was an experiment. and it was a big hit. and so pbs asked me to do a sequel. and we called african-american lives too and we did morgan freeman the man who played god and the president, maya ang lou. >> rose: all people who were famous and celebrities. >> yeah. >> rose: and the idea is what, that their lives will be more interesting to people. >> yeah, well, you know, viewerrers real people without tune in want to look over your shoulder. >> rose: which is the reason they want to know about people that are famous. >> right. and this is an archival form of gossip am but here's when the brand changessed. i get a letter, charlie, i started getting all these letters from people. and i get a letter from a russian jewish woman who said dear dr. gaits, i always admired your career and stands on mrlt culturallism and cultural diversity but after watching two seasons of african lives i decided you are a big fat racist because you only do black people, so my whole identify is african and african american studies that is my day job. ha

jones. >> look at that. that's just beautiful to watch. great game. >> i'm charlie rose with norah o'donnell and alex wagner.ress passed a bill with no consent limiting the drug administration's power of the open poinioid epidemic w. >> this map shows it in 1999. it hooked like this in 2015 as the number of opioid-related deaths increased. republican members of congress -- republican member of congress tom marino and marsha blackburn. they made it harder prescriptions to pharmacies and doctors' offices. >> i don't understand why congress would pass a bill the would strip us of our authority in the height of an opioid epidemic in congressman marino's district and congressman blackburn's district. why are they sponsoring bills when people in their backyard are dying coming from drugs of the same bills they're protect. >> why do you think it's happening? >> because i think they have an influence over congress that has never been seen before, and these people came in with their influence and that money and got a whole statute changed because they didn't like it. >> reporter: seven months after the bill became la

jones! >> look at that. that's beautiful to watch. great athletes playing a great game. ♪ >>> i'm charlie rose with norah o'donnell and alex wagner.gress passed a bill by unanimous consent with no objections to limit the drug enforcement administration's power to fight opioid abuse. former dea employees tell "60 minutes" and "the washington post" that a new law is making the opioid epidemic worse. >> this map shows drug overdose deaths in the united states in 1999. it looks like this in 2015 as the number of opioid-related deaths quadrupled. the new law deals with drug distributors who ship pain pills from manufacturers to drugstores. republican members of congress -- republican member of congress tom marino and marcia blackburn promoted it as a way to ensure patients had access to the medication they need. former dea official john renizizi told bill whittaker the law made it hard to stop from sending prescription drugs to bad pharmacies and doctor's offices. >> i don't understand why congress would pass a bill that strips us of our authority in the height of an opioid epidemic in places like congressman marino's districts and con