>> what was your relationship with alex jones?alex jones when he was completely unknown, broadcasting out of a child's bedroom in his house. >> no longer is the new world order some foggy apparition over the next hill, the talk of extremists. >> but ronson discovered that he and jones shared a common fascination. there actually were powerful groups meeting in secret, vips who gathered on weekend outings in remote locations. >> like bohemian grove, this weird campsite in northern california where people are rumored to attend a ritual that ends in a human effigy being burned in front of a giant stone owl. >> the bohemian club was exactly what jon was looking for -- a secretive men's retreat whose attendees have included power brokers, celebrities, and even former presidents. for 150 years, the gatherings had been a lightning rod for conspiracy theorists, alleging that this was where plots were hatched to build a new world order. >> when i heard that, i thought i must try to sneak in and find out if it's true. >> we're going to go bl

is this a case where bankruptcy law could actually protect alex jones? >> absolutely.hink that properly applied, the bankruptcy law could help bring justice for the families. within the bankruptcy law, there's something called fraudulent transfers, and from the times reporting and from the looks of it, it seems like that's what jones is doing. he's transferring assets, reducing what he has, and he's not supposed to be able to do that. so that's something the court could do something about. and the court could simply say this is going to be clawed back, and the families have priority as creditors for that judgment. there's something that can be done here. he's certainly trying to be very manipulative and deceptive in trying to get rid of that money. >> there's another part of the "new york times" reporting that really stuck out. quote, the family's ability to get anything remotely close to the jury awards is inextricably tide to mr. jones' capacity to make a living as a purveyor of lies, including that the shooting was a hoax, the parents were actors, the children did n

we've got the alex jones trials. so i'm wondering how you feel about this new kind of perspective of on pushing back against extremism, whether in the public eye or in the courts, and if that's actually going to do anything both in time for 20, 20, 24 or even this year. yeah, i think i think we're going to learn a lot this election. you know, there are a of extremist tied candidates and proud boys candidates out there. i mean i'm you know this election i'm looking at candidates who are trump endorsed and who have ties to extremists. one example is in washington state. joe kennedy's running for a house seat there is tied to a whole bunch of extremist groups and even paid $11,000 in consulting fees. a proud boy. people love him in his in that district you know he unseated a long time republican there in the primary. so those are those are the types of things i'm you know, i'm worried about for for this election. but but you are right to say, sophie, that that the big extremist on their own have sort of died down a litt

it is called "you got mail" from alex jones.' on. i believe the moon is flat. >> oh, you do? [ laughter ] >> how could you see on the other side anyway. what do you know, go ahead and laugh at me. i don't care. >> they milked it up in the studio and put the flag on it. [ laughter ] >> well, this was a really bad segment. [ laughter ] >> that's not true. i had a great point. >> you had a great point. that's when you know it is a bad segment. >> whoa! now, it is a good segment. [ laughter ] >> don't go away! we'll be right back. [ applause ] getrefunds.com can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee. all it takes is eight minutes to get started. then work with professionals to assist your business with its forms and submit the application. go to getrefunds.com to learn more. did you know, unless you treat dandruff regularly, conspiracies scripa it will keep coming back. try head & shoulders shampoo. dandruff is caused by irritation to a germ that lives on everyone's scalp. unlike regular shampoo

and now, the church that alex jones helped pay to rebuild. that church is now led by this man, he's a pastor like waco's leader, david crash in the 90s, he preaches about the coming apocalypse. his sermon, has a new star. he believes, donald trump is the anointed of god, at that trump is a battering ram that, god's using to bring down the deep state of babylon. that pastor told the new times, he's for sure going to trump's rally tomorrow. donald trump is choosing to kick off his presidential campaign in a place that happens to be the center of a lot of violent symbolism, a place where they bloody history of citizen led uprising against the federal government. and there's more, this is timothy mcvay, a 24 years old mcvay visited waco in 1993. he went while the siege was underway as a show of support for the armed call, and to sell anti government pro gun tee shirts and bumper stickers. you likely know mcvay is the one the oklahoma city bombers, in 1995 mcvay's partner carrie nickel, committed the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in u.s. his

we finally i finally get away with alex jones, get the camera crew out of there. buddy mckinley are in jail. the director of decoded calls brad in the middle of the night. breathless said we got a big problem. buddy in mckinley have been arrested. they're in jail. it's terrible. what do we do? brad's question. did you get it on camera. so that's what working with brad meltzer is like. but what is he like? he brad meltzer is probably the most humble guy you would ever want to meet. he is famous. he doesn't like to have that set about him. but obviously done great things with his life. but he is as easy to talk to as any of you. it's just like to one of your friends. we had dinner tonight. we talked about everything, but this kind of stuff. he's just an outstanding down to earth person who is obviously brilliant writer. i will say his mind is always working. he's always thinking about, next thing ben franklin came up for some reason tonight. so you're probably going to read a book about ben franklin at some point, but that won't be a bad thing. so it is an unbelieva

alex jones, the podcaster of the great note, preempted memorial service there a couple years later memorializingthe branch davidians to say that from now on if there is anything like it, it would not happen again. and that was his first national attempt for attention and he succeeded. i goes up to march 6, 2021 -- it goes up to march 6, 2021, the center grow to the assault on the capital cut 13th become a militia man. they said in response to waco. if you look at any of the website some these militia organizations and they are there to see, several of them cite waco as the reason for their existence. we have to make sure it does not happen again. host: let's start taking calls. visit in pennsylvania, good morning. caller: good morning. i did not think this topic was going to go the way it did. i am impressed. our member that well. i remember that well. i remember the documentaries that came out. what is concerning was big government telling people what religion they could practice, what they cannot practice. i do not recollect any of those people killing anybody or having means to have what happ

because in sandy hook alex jones was telling lies about the victims and their families. here the lies aren't about these people who have been harmed, the lies are bigger and broader and they're about the election and election fraud, et cetera. so even though there's i think the potential, i think you will see lawyers probably trying this, pushing the envelope on the law here, in addition to the high bar even to make a defamation claim, you also would have this approximate cause issue, right? did those lies really cause the harm to individuals. and more specifically than the harm to those who are suffering criminal penalties, we're talking about the harm to police officers who were injured and killed and others who were killed. >> if the law is so clearly in favor of a news organization, why did fox let it get to this point? >> well, i mean, that's the $65 million question, right? like it sounds to me that from everything that's come out it was all about $65 million or more than that, all about the green. but why their advertisers don't demand more, why their viewers -- i

alex jones, one of the co-conspirators in the insurrection, rose to infamy in the ashes of waco.es to waco. >> alex jones was a nobody on austin radio before waco happened. you know, when waco happened the most -- the story that people know i think is timothy mcveigh was there on the side of the road passing out anti-government literature -- >> during the -- >> during the standoff between the fbi and the branch davidians as people probably know, david koresh and the branch davidians when the fbi finally tried to break in after 51 days they lit their own compound on fire. in the end i think 82 total, 75, 76 died that day. 25 or so children. in a self-imposed fire that they set off. i will tell you the right there tell you that they didn't set those fires off, the fbi set the fire, although there's compelling evidence to claim the contrary. out of that two years later timothy macovei, april 19th, 1995, blows up the alfred p. murrah building, 100 and whatever it was people killed in that. and when asked why he did what he did he said waco started this war. and that became for the pa

but i was also wondering if anyone is looking at the alex jones/sandy hook lawsuit. whether there are a group of people who can mount similar arguments about, you know, the malicious, reckless disregard for the truth. i mean, you think what the sicknick family has gone through. it's all well documented. and the lies continue. while they have a very exposed, call it, left flank, i guess, for lack of a better word on the dominion case which even some fox folks will privately acknowledge. and do see the dominion case as the beginning of the beginning, of fox news' legal challenges, denver? >> i don't know what you -- i don't know how you hide that kind of evidence and data in perpetuity, right? it's very difficult. when you look at sandy hook and the misrepresentations there. and you look at what tucker carlson is doing with the actual january 6th video, what's interesting to me, not only, he's misrepresenting the police officer's family. you saw the sicknick family statement. my lord and what some of the officers, the capitol police, you have to wonder what they're goi

think of the george santos's, and obviously donald trump with his ties and his stakes and even alex jonesls, the conservative movement in the year 2023 -- it does feel like an infomercial. and i wonder how much you think the big con, the grift, essential to the party's identity at this point. >> well, alex, first of all, i join fellow patriot donald trump jr. in urging our listeners, the true patriots at, there to make the i check out today to questions against secular humanism, or cash. this is drifting plain and simple. -- it's unbelievable. i did not know god had an opinion about cell phone companies. yes. but, what's happened is trump's shrinking the party and cpac is shrinking. but it is kind of a professional grassroots huckster wing of the gop. so, the good news is, it's an outlier and it's not the sampling it used to be. hell, when i was chairman of the college republicans at georgetown years ago, after reagan got elected, we would go there. it was the best party in town. and it reflected the young energy inside the republican party. this thing now is a scam. pure and simple, top

we're not having debates about why people are going on alex jones to reach different audiences, rightint, because of what has been exposed here, it's such a clear example. i think everyone needs to change their behavior around pox because they are no longer masquerading as a news operation. they are a destructive, dangerous political operation, and that's the part where we all have to act accordingly. start treating it like enforce, and a lot less like we've been tweeting fox news before we saw the recent revelations. >> i've been saying the same thing about the republican party there, they are no longer a party. they are a dime store front for a terrorist organization called maga. angelo carusone, thank you so much for joining us this evening on all in. coming up, the full authoritarian menu was out in the open this weekend. the danger on display at the republican organizations biggest event cpac, next on all in. (male announcer) important information for viewers age 50 to 85. have you thought about getting life insurance to help your family with funeral expenses, but worried it woul

going to trial, and nicolle wallace made the point that dominion is like the plaintiffs in suing alex jonesally doing this because they want the information to be made public. they want to clear their names in court. and so it's more about that than the amount of money, although obviously a judgment could have an enormous deterrent effect on fox in terms of how it handles this in the future. >> an incentive not to settle before it goes to trial. peter one other thing before we get you go. "daily beast" is reporting that fox edited out trump saying he might let russia take over parts of ukraine in an interview he did with sean hannity that aired on monday. first on the radio, and sean hannity aired parts on his show. and the part about trump saying he might let russia take over parts of ukraine was suspiciously not in the show version. what do you make of that? >> it's important to hear what donald trump is saying about russia. andrew weissmann spent a couple of years trying to investigate the former president's ties to russia. that doesn't mean there aren't questions to be answered. as a ma

oath keepers there, the groupers can also our alexander like marcus was talking but, he also had alex jonesou had roger stone committee guest appearance over alexander's phone through a megaphone. and then ali alexander rally everyone to quote-unquote storm the capital in georgia. this was a group of people that was a peaceful protest, but this is a group of people who use that opportunity to network, to come together under the ban of stop the steal and president trump, and despite the fact that they hated each other, in fact, i think there's a video of some of the people harassing stuart rhodes on the street in atlanta, but they still came together for this common cause. >> so they weren't so principled that they had to stick with their own ideologies it sounds like. we talked about trump being the uniter. james, what did you in the deposition that you did uncover about trump as united way calms and influence of his rhetoric on individuals who were not associated with these particular extremist groups? >> i mean, that sort of, trump was the reason marcus and i interviewed a lot of people w

or maybe someone like alex jones who has made a career in arguing conspiracy theory. maybe these folks deserve a closer look at themselves. peter: michael, broward county, florida, please go ahead. caller: i wonder if you have thoughts on the mst murders here in florida. it ties into what you were talking about, especially with contemporary and religious freedoms. in florida, there is no vaccination requirements. if you want to get at any vaccination, you somebody sign a form. it does affect things. the mst situation, and a lot of people are not aware of it. how guilty is the community at large versus the person? if committee was outraged that he was not put to death because of his childhood, you mentioned childhood, client wonder if you have heard of edwards tented experiences. we now know from this large study that our brains are like plastic. what happens in our childhood completely changes them. it is not just adverse experiences. success also changes the brain. we are all familiar with ptsd. peter: and not there. we will stop you there and see if jeff guinn has a

you saw the alex jones copycats come out of the woodwork and start these theories that were just ludicrous unfortunately we have shown time and time again that there is no level of violence against our children in this country that will push many to embrace common sense gun laws, and thatis embrace common sense gun laws, and that is unfortunate. my hope is that the number of the families of victims will begin to come forward and really push particularly in these red states that are really clamping down and beholden to the gun lobby. the clamping down and beholden to the run lobb . ,, ., , gun lobby. the us mourning six --eole, gun lobby. the us mourning six peeple. three — gun lobby. the us mourning six people, three children. - gun lobby. the us mourning six people, three children. for- gun lobby. the us mourning six people, three children. for the | gun lobby. the us mourning six - people, three children. for the time being, thank you. lets turn to israel, where widespread protests and strikes have forced the prime minister benjamin netanyahu to postpone controversialjudicial reforms — w

party, it is already in place because it allows the 3% oath keepers, proud boys and girls, qanon, alex jones deniers and haters of the federal agencies and mainstream media. 1/06 sympathizers, look at possibly go wrong if they get any power? host: from florida, independent line. caller: how are you? thank you for taking my call. host: go ahead. caller: i am very concerned -- most of americans, these vaccines, you do not have to be a doctor or physicist. once these viruses come out, by the time they come up with a vaccine for the virus, that virus has mutated. a lot of these vaccines are behind. fighting something that is constantly changing, by the time we come up with the right vaccine, it is already changed. they are always behind. host: carol from houston, texas. democrat. caller: hello. this is carol. i take issue with what you said on the last caller of the last segment, about china being the enemy. i do not consider china to be an enemy. host: i did not say china was an enemy, i said china was not friendly to the united states. caller: i think you used the word enemy of the united stat

alex's medical expenses. he had surgery on monday but doesn't know how long it will take to fully recover. velena jones, nbc bay area news. >> thank you, velena. >>> it seems like a small piece of paper, a receipt, a bay area lawmaker says they have a big impact on the environment and is pushing people to skip the slip. san francisco assembly member has a bill that would require businesses to offer you a digital option instead of a piece of paper. a retailer would not be able to print the receipt unless the consumer asked. ting says it would save 3 million trees and 10 billion gallons of water a year. >> obviously in california we're facing a drought, so i can't imagine that we would rather have receipts over drinking water, receipts over water for our crops, water for agricultural industry. it's really a matter of prioritization. >> you see the giant receipt there? the bill would prohibit retailers from giving out paper receipts that contain chemicals that can cause developmental and neurological problems and make them nonrecyclable. ting did propose a similar bill a few years back. >> it didn't pass.

alex dunlop reports. every few seconds more sand from these fragile clips is lost to the waves. at high tide this lifeboatman alanjones escorted me onto the beach. brute tide this lifeboatman alan jones we can see the sand has cut _ escorted me onto the beach. we can see the sand has cut back _ escorted me onto the beach. we can see the sand has cut back into - escorted me onto the beach. we can see the sand has cut back into the i see the sand has cut back into the gene. how much do you think you have a loss? as we speak, morejunks gene. how much do you think you have a loss? as we speak, more junks are sliding down. last night we could have walked in front of the june sliding down. last night we could have walked in front of thejune and we have lost at least three metres if not more. we have lost at least three metres if not more-— if not more. are you worried for eo - le if not more. are you worried for peeple safety — if not more. are you worried for people safety still? _ if not more. are you worried for people safety still? we - if not more. are you worried for people safety still? we are - if not more. are you worried for people safety still? we are and | if not more. are you

oakland's effort and jones bbq hit twice e reason why these burglaries hit the owners especially hard now we'll tell you after ♪ alex how's business? great. you know that loan has really worked wonders. that's what u.s. bank is for. and you're growing in california? -yup, socal, norcal... -monterey? -all day. -a branch in ventura? that's for sure-ah. atms in fresno? fres-yes. encinitas? yes, indeed-us. anaheim? big time. more guacamole? i'm on a roll-ay. how about you? i'm just visiting. u.s. bank. ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with retail banking in california by j.d. power. dozens robberies at several businesses in the past week, and that includes back to back break ins at the effort in jones barbecue restaurant in oakland's jack london square last monday. in tuesday, two men are seen on surveillance video bursting into the office. they're trying to open the safe the restaurant owners as those same two men. did succeed in the second break in stealing thousands of dollars tuesday morning. thank you's a different kind of tool that there's successfully opened up, got a hole in our safe and was able to reach in a