>> well, it is no surprise tha alex jones of enforcemen bankruptcy protection.s they realized the were going to be here with a number like this we are down in the souther district of texas in bankruptc court fighting every day t make sure that alex jones does not get the shelter of bankruptcy court that good faith but bettors ordinarily get. and we are confident that as that process goes on, alex jones personally and infowar will have to pay every penny that is available to these families but it takes a little bi longer than it should. >> >> do you cases like this the fox settlement, th smartmatic case, do they put a chill online do you think that people wil lie less or that liars wil feel a little bit left in bold and as a result? >> i think we have a big corporate media organization like fox, this will act as a deterrent for a time but you have to understand tha there is a whole far-right ecosystem largely on line that is spreading lies like thi every day. so i think what you are goin to be seeing is more more case being brought agains podcasters, online outle

fulcrum here >> chris, one of the reasons i want to talk to specifically i that you questioned alex jonestion case. and your experience, in your opinion, but with a strategy from dominion's lawyers when they get fox news is a high-profile hosts, thei executives, on the stand >> well, i think it is probabl fair to say that alex jones is a little bit of a unique personality on the stand whe he is cross-examined they are probably gonna be dealing with someone mor sophisticated individuals, but the motives in the case agains alex jones are exactly the sam as the motives that fox news i going to have to deal with and that is they had a profi motive to spread these lies. that the emails and th communications indicate, tha after they follow the election errors, they vastly starte losing audience. and that caused panic within fox news, they were losing ratings, they were losing thei core audience, and that is whe the narrative shifted for fo news, when they decided to choose their audience and th profits that that audience brings, rather than publishing the truth about the election and so, just a

with respect alex jones, w knew that we were going to hav some challenges, obviously, bu we also knewtha he spread about sandy hook wer so very obvious and so ver damaging by the time we got to the court, if they had prove that just like remington selve its weapons of war for profit, alex jones was selling his lie to his audience for profit and that was very compelling befor a jury so that's how we went about at this problem the unfortunate thing is tha the courts should not be place with these problems get solved there should be policy responses at the federal level that have been lacking, and so families like the sandy hook families have been going t court to get justice >> to an extent you're right the policy are lacking, an there have been some littl progress, sometimes in estates with red flag laws and background checks stuff, sometimes -- we had some progress at th federal level. but it's all too little. the problem is excel ring also fast given that the courts are th place that you saw some success, is that replaceable? >> it is there are 50 states statue around the country pro

>> i think it's probably fai to say that alex jones is little bit of a unique personality on the standne. they're probably gonna b dealing with somewhat more sophisticated individuals, but the motives in the case agains alex jones are exactly the sam as the motives that fox news i going to have to deal with and that is that they had profit motive to spread thes lies the emails and communication and kate that after they calle the election in arizona, the fostered losing all -- and that's caused panic within fox news they're losing ratings, they were losing their audience, an that's when the narrativ shifted for fox news, wher they decided to choose their audience and the profits o that that audience bring rather than publishing the truth about the election so just as alex jones had profit motive for spreadin false lies about sandy hook, because he generated his audience, sorted fox news, and that cross-examination is goin to be very compelling becaus the jury is going to b wondering why would they sprea lies about something tha everybody knew, and the answer is money angelo, amid all of

alexjones, talk remind people of the case in the us with alex jones, talk show remind people of theones, talk show host who has promoted and became infamous for permitting conspiracy theories about the sandy through shooting, he was taken to court by the families affected by that shooting who were subject to hate and harassment following his conspiracy theories and he was ordered to pay almost $1.5 billion in damages. it is not as much money at they care about what it does, what martin hopes is that it will set a legal precedent in the uk and deter people. following the investigation, the youtube channel was taken down, his market stall where he was selling books and dvds permitting these theories were shut down, he has continued to post online, including about the manchester arena attack, and he seems to still suggest it was faked or staged in some way. in response to a legal letter sent by the team representing marlton, he again defended his position, i got in touch with him about the legal action being fired, he didn�*t get back to me but had it the original investigation told me

joining me now, attorney chris matty, he was the lead attorne for the sandy hook - against alex jones chris, thank you so much for being with us. new york times calls the dominion case quote, a liabl law equivalent of this rubble. what is the standard of proo and a libel lawsuit, and why i this one so high stakes? >> it's a huge case, it's very difficult to prove defamatio or libel against a media organization, what dominion is going to have to prove is that fox news acted with actual malice that is, they spread information they need to b false, or they sprea information with reckles disregard as to whether it was false or for these cases are very difficult to prove, because as fox has claimed throughout this case it indicates that it was simpl covering at topic of publi interest behind the scenes email seemed to show is that even as fox wa spreading disinformation about the legitimacy of the election its own on our new personalities did not believ that the stories they were spreading were true. so, the evidence in this cas is exactly the type of evidenc and that could take preceden i

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fox news has joined the alex jones category of the speciall financial road for fox news.ber, there's an utter voting company, smartmatic they mate voting machines as well they were wrapped up in the lie and conspiracy theories they are also suing fox. they are suing fox for 2. billion dollars. also accusing them of airing false statements about their company in the context of th coverage of the 2020 election. in the wake of the news of the settlement with dominion, lawyer for smartmati immediately released statement saying in part, quote, the minions litigation exposed the misconduct and damaged cars by fox's information campaign smartmatic will expose the rest fox will not only have to deal with another likely damaging set of facts, it may also have just advertised what their price is how much they are willing to pay to make them go away we don't know yet. we may never know anything but the details of today's settlement beyond that dolla amount it is very likely that fox's statement this afternoon is as close as they will ever get to issuing some form of an apolog or ack

fox news agrees to the largest defamation payout since alex jones. >> money is accountability we got that today from fox but we are not done yet. >> tonight, one of the dominio attorneys on the histori settlement with fox. and david blough, michel goldman, and harry lippman o what it will mean for rupert murdoch's monopoly and america politics moving forward. another nightmare, murder this time in upstate new york on th awful truth of a politics of crime and punishment and why it is tax day should make a happy ending to nonsens fearmongering about 87,000 new irs agents >> are they going to have strikeforce that goes in wit ak-15's already loaded, read to shoot >> when all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. this afternoon, the very first day in court, fox news reached a settlement with it dominio voting systems for more than $787 million it is one of the largest settlements we have ever see in a defamation case in this country. second only to the 1.4 billion dollar verdict judgment agains right-wing conspiracy theorist alex jones last fall a as

case than you had >> well, i mean, in some ways it is stronger because one of the defenses that alex jonesout he was a fly by night operation and shouldn't be held to the same -- fox doesn't have that the jury will expect they have internal controls when it comes to publishing false information. in that sense, the evidence is stronger on the other hand, i think that fox is going to be able to point to at least some things that they suggest called into question for legitimacy, certain states elections here, with respect to alex jones, i don't think anybody believed what he was saying about this but still, i do think that dominion's claims that fox knew what it was doing was false and had every reason to not put that stuff out on the air is going to be the most compelling theme at the end of the day >> we have got many weeks of trial ahead, so i hope to talk to you again chris maddie, thank you. appreciate you coming on the program. >>> george santos is officially running for re-election. who is already lining up to challenge him? >>> and the major case before the supreme court right now tha

just ask the people trying t get their money from alex jone and those people are parents o children whos against alex jones, and they'r gonna spend years and years an years chasing that money when you settle a case lik this, you get all of the money immediately. fox is giving up and surrendering in a fight over the money, which is what the case is about. the people who are not disappointed in any way with this outcome of the people who worked at dominion, whose live would be threatened again when they would've had come to cour and testify under oath in this trial. here is dominion attorne devito brooke, earlier today making that point in a interview. >> there has been a lot of talk, a lot of focus on all of the folks from foxes and who are going to be required to come t court and be questioned, but there were also a dozen or s folks from dominion who were going to have to leave their homes, leave their comfort come to wilmington, delaware and relive the very real traum that they experienced in the 2020 presidential election and frankly, to this day deciding to not put them through that,

alex jones still has a podcast or whatever it is he does and has plenty of listeners. he can still hawk his strength cream or whatever it is. carlson hasn't been a journalist for a very long time. he has a career as an entertainer, and that career is not blemished in any way, i would think, by a defamation lawsuit. an entertainer can entertain . anchor: an interesting conundrum. ian, thank you for your analysis. i wanted to ask you about don lemon leaving cnn, but we are out of time. next, far right protesters in madrid tussling with police as the remains of a fascist party founder were to be reburied in a simple grave, another example of spain struggling to reconcile with its authoritarian past. this came six months after spain passed its so-called democratic memory law. reporter: as the remains arrive for repair -- reburial, scuffles broke out between police and dozens of supporters of the fascist party founder. the body of the leader that supported the franco regime was moved. the excavation follows the removal of the dictator from the site. the plan is to convert i

then it gets out to mainstream conservatives wh watch fox not thinking that it is eight chan and alex jones and yet, they end up with th same messages. >> yeah, you know, the mor this has gone on the more were your viewing a momentous occasion for the health of the republicans, here. i know that sounds nuts, but listen for a second. for this man's ties to 4chan tucker was effectively a composite character of a 4chan message board user, and i don' mean that as a joke, i mea that as that's where he got hi stories from a couple weeks of go, he took document that was altered to show that there were mor ukrainian casualties in th ukraine during this war than russian casualties, this was not true, but it was found o 4chan and he ran it on a show. he also ran a hoax a few weeks ago about this thing called th trans day of vengeance, whic was the day that trans peopl are going to rise up that happened to the april fools day, that didn't reall seem to get past his b s meter or his staff and that is because his staf go to 4chan. one of his lead writers, actually his lead writer who was fired on the sh

was talking about at least once a week and sort of boost it on his air, and alex jones in that universeould get excited about it i thought the worst was the blood thirstiness, after the club q shooting, tucker did a whole bunch of stuff about maybe they deserved it, this is what you get for sexualizing children not only was he lying, but he sort of suggested repeatedly that they had it coming and maybe they should stop doing what they're doing, which of course was based on a lie. so i think those three things together, if you were to watch a tucker on any regular basis, they basically summarize what tucker was doing on his program. >> has this been discussed, this firing on fox news today >> not yet as far as i'm aware >> angelo, thank you -- >> it's weird because they were talking about tucker earlier, yeah >> thank you for coming on and talking to us. i appreciate it. >>> and coming up, what the nine justices of the supreme court said in the mifepristone ruling and what it says about how they decide if and when the case ultimately comes before the court. >>> plus, 2024 is shaping up t

and realistically, alex jones is not going to pay that money. fox is going to have to pay all $787.5 million. it's also important to keep in mind exactly what dominion voting systems is. it's a modest sized company they're privately held they have about 250 employees. the current total valuation of the entire company is under $100 million. so, poppy and don here they've received more than 10 times the value of the entire company. it's a big big number. so what does what does fox get out of this deal except for a lighter pockets, but still they have enough money. they'll be fine. why would they agree to pay so much here? on the one hand on they could have got hit, theoretically, with an even heavier verdict if this had gone all the way to trial, but i think more important, they avoided the nightmare scenario of having some of their most prominent host have to take the stand at this trial, taken oaths and get cross example. we were looking at the very realistic possibility of saying hannity, tucker, carlson and other prominent hosts have to take t

we finally i finally get away with alex jones, get the camera crew out of there. buddy mckinley are in jail. the director of decoded calls brad in the middle of the night. breathless said we got a big problem. buddy in mckinley have been arrested. they're in jail. it's terrible. what do we do? brad's question. did you get it on camera. so that's what working with brad meltzer is like. but what is he like? he brad meltzer is probably the most humble guy you would ever want to meet. he is famous. he doesn't like to have that set about him. but obviously done great things with his life. but he is as easy to talk to as any of you. it's just like to one of your friends. we had dinner tonight. we talked about everything, but this kind of stuff. he's just an outstanding down to earth person who is obviously brilliant writer. i will say his mind is always working. he's always thinking about, next thing ben franklin came up for some reason tonight. so you're probably going to read a book about ben franklin at some point, but that won't be a bad thing. so it is an unbelieva

unless you are alex jones it might cost you 9 million. and we need to put stuff hind a pay wall, dutch -- behind a pay wall, but you can't afford to find the truth for free. work you do as journalists is essential and dangerous. my father was an embedded reporter in vietnam. [applause] the civil war in rhodesia, which we know today as zimbabwe, he came back home and told black stories. [applause] american urban radio networks now have been doing it 50 years and that's part of what my father tried to do. and i know it was hard, because black daddies like telling you when something is difficult. >> i never dropped my tape recorder. my daddy tells war stories -- lester holt didn't laugh at that one. good journalism cost, that's the truth of the matter. it costs people, and even your freedom. wall street journalists are sitting in prison as we speak on espionage charges. espionage charges, that's the foreign version of fits the description. there are hundreds of people around the world just doing their job. most national stories in this count

these dissenting voices that reveal an uncomfortable truth and continue to do so, it happened with alex jonesis own platform, which he worked with , i think tucker carlson will do the same. these people who were forced to leave have examples and worse than that what happened to julian. assange is a classic example of how the united states wanted not only to crush, but to punish and torture ; they want to be feared. tucker openly criticized biden, spoke about the risks for america in connection with the conflict in ukraine if not on every broadcast, he talked about this on the air of the fox news channel, now he has been fined a huge amount and is already playing election videos. biden. tucker carlson was watched, it was a real rating and now they are watching it. the first video after being fired in words, when you don't notice how idiotic most of the debates you watch on tv are at the same time. and it's amazingly really important topics that determine our future are almost completely undiscussed war. civil freedom scientific discoveries changes in demographics power corporations natural res

too very popular with millions of viewers of fringe er, non- conformist dissident tv hosts like alex jones deprivation of deplatforming them here is this fight with dissent, but my opinion. maybe i'm wrong. tucker carlson - this is not dissent. these are thoughts. that's about half of the americans who think exactly the same and his popularity. as you absolutely dmitry rightly noticed this popularity, esteblishman. so says part of the american government. so many governors think so considered huge. part of the takerkalsen population was the spokesman for this second america , radically disagreeing with the dictatorship of the democrats of the biden globalists. and it's not even on komysyli. it's just that there is one thought that fights with another and see what methods of arrests, and judicial investigation of the dismissal demands. so, one part of america, which has identified the fate of its own and its country and all of humanity , is fighting against globalism without rules. you can tell in the beginning they fake with the results of the choice are more domain, and then they demand a

used to be what you would see on info wars, which is that far right company hosted and founded by alex jonesllars in legal problems. it was being main streamed to the fox news audience, which is obviously very dangerous. potentially possible that fox thinks they can get away with someone more like sean hannity who promotes a lot of conspiracy theories himself but a little more main stream, not as radical as tucker. >> they've let this go on for years. it is not new. it is interesting the timing of this. we'll have to wait and see what he says. i'm sure something will be coming out from his side of things. >> that is an interesting question though. what we do know when it comes to fox and when they part ways with someone, just ask -- the nondisclosure agreements. >> and is he free to jump to another network if he wants to? news max, which is that smaller, right wing channel that fox news was really worried about in the wake of the 2020 election, the audience i'm sure would follow him over there. is he free to do that? is that something he wants to do? is it possible he wants to do something l

this is like the alex jones issue when that trial was going on and he would stand on the courthouse stepsficate when he wasn't on the stand. so that is an issue. you can't taint the public. the jury is supposed to be shielded from anything that is going on outside of the case. they are supposed to just pay attention to this case. it could open him up potentially for a new seuit. this could be new penalty in trying to sway the jurors. it's on brand and i don't think no one is necessarily surprised but it opens up a host of issues including potentially a mistrial. you don't want those somebody coming to court and saying, you know, my aunt told me what trump was tweeting the other day and it affects my judgment in the case and all of the work and time is for not in that case. >> i wonder. do you think that carroll's lawyers will use the "access hollywood" tape that surfaced in the 2016 campaign the then candidate said something to the effect of when you're famous, you can do whatever you want? do you think that will surface in this case? >> i definitely do. i believe that the judge had previ

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we have seen daniel perry celebrated not just on tucker carlsen and by kyle rittenhouse, by alex jonest-wing figures, we have seen qanon figures embracing daniel perry and almost inserting him again into this martyr myth. it is a religious feeling of the figures, they imagine old west heroes standing their ground. even though, he has been found guilty so we don't have to revisit that but the fact is, perry himself said to the police after the event, i wanted to stop him before he aimed. this wasn't an old west quick draw. he shot him. that is part of the violence being celebrated now, to kill a protester. a white man, as of black lives matter protester, in a way is read on the right that they perceive the threat of blackness. laura: why do you think republicans are martyrizing people like ashli babbitt, kyle rittenhouse, the insurrectionist that was killed by a police officer, and potentially perry? >> it is a stage in trumpism, gravitating from kind of a prosperity gospel, winning and getting rich, to a conspiracy religion. and now, too, you need victims, not just the broad victimizat

to run against biden as a, quote, chaos agent tucker carlson, alex jones there are also pursuing hi campaign should be taken seriously by the democrats >> a short answer would be, no rfk does not have a lot of support. i think he's the only person with a last name kennedy tha are actually supporting him. i think his chances, i think jfk junior as a better chanc of winning the presidency -- >> he's on the trump ticket in 2024 as the vice president >> i heard that he is currentl vice president for a couple of people on the road that is more breaking news for you here >> we're always breaking new on the show. speaking of santos here, for nantes, you pledge several times to donate his entirecongrn asked about the details of his donation, he responded, quote, i owe you no explanation t what i do with my salary and to jason's point about the fact that he is going to b running again, and the point i was trying to make earlier that there are people who will donate to his campaign, he won't raise money off of som people out there, and th growth continues >> it really does. i don't think there is any

we have seen daniel perry celebrated not just on tucker carlson and by kyle rittenhouse and by alex jonesight wing figures, we have seen leading qanon figures embracing daniel perry and almost inserting him and again to the smarter myth, this almost religious feeling of figures as they imagine as old west heroes. standing their ground. even though and he has already been found guilty so we don't have to revisit that, but the fact is perry himself said right to the police, i wanted to stop him before he aimed. this was not an old west quickdraw. he shot him. there was no aim. that is part of the violence that is being celebrated now, to kill a black lives matter protester. a white man, but as a black lives matter protester, i think in a way is read on the right is part of this threat that they perceive of blackness. amna: you have traveled the country talking to republican voters. why do you think they are martyrizing people like kyle rittenhouse, like ashli babbitt, the insurrectionist to stormed the capital and was killed by a police officer, and potentially perry? >> it is a stage, it i

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you also had alex jones, roger stone made a guest appearance over ali alexander's phone through a megaphone alexander rallied everyone to, quote unquote, storm the capitol in georgia. this was a group of people, a peaceful protest but this was a group of people who use that opportunity to network. come together under the banner of stop the steal and president trump and despite the fact that they hated each other. in fact, i think there is a video of groypers harassing -- on the street. but they still came together for this common cause. >> they were not so principle that they had to stick with their own ideologies, it sounds like. we talk about trump being the uniter james what did you uncover in the depositions about trump at the uniter the influence of his rhetoric on individuals who weren't associated with these particular groups. >> it was that trump was the reason. marcus and i interviewed a lot of people who pled guilty to various crimes on january six who otherwise were not affiliated with extremist groups who showed up, followed the crowd, went in and did some, sometimes horrible th

alex jones for instance. when it counts the podcast, so many other mediums to get that message out, what are your expectations for tucker? >> that is a good question. the internet has his back. if he does reciprocate, right? he will try to do some fan service. i do want to stress, by the way, tucker is uniquely skilled at laundering those talking points. making it seem like it's just a little bit outside the bounds. what else is new? it's fox news. as you said it was a 50% drop off in that time slot. he was really good at being able to identify main characters, individual characters who could not defend themselves. sikh that white nationalist online mob on them. that was something he did really well. whoever else is going to replace him, if they are able to do that, they're gonna have to learn on the fly. no one else that fox news is like that. you can complain about sean hannity, all these other people. you may not agree with them. but tucker was doing a uniquely destructive kind of thing. creating talking p

it would be about the same siz judgment as alex jones faced for his own defamation cases and the sandy hook cases, an that for jones is going to b existential. for fox this represents abou half of three months income, s they will still be around, but it does i think, have some rea world applications for fox not necessarily the judgment itself, but in all those behin the scenes emails and messages and texts that we've bee talking about. it exposes, and gives evidence for something that fox has bee saying for a long time that there was a wall of churc and state between news a opinion, and that clearly is not the case >> angela, even fox watching for years, documenting the laws did you ever think it woul come to this where we are seeing the inne workings of the works, how the host a one things on the air t the viewers another thing to each other in? private >> i think, eventually that is the part that i find remarkable about this entire thing. everything we are seeing about how they conduct themselve dominion, on think is the thin that everyone needs to let see better every single interac

unless you are alex jones it might cost you 9 million.nd we need to put stuff hind a pay wall, dutch -- behind a pay wall, but you can't afford to find the truth for free. work you do as journalists is essential and dangerous. my father was an embedded reporter in vietnam. [applause] the civil war in rhodesia, which we know today as zimbabwe, he came back home and told black stories. [applause] american urban radio networks now have been doing it 50 years and that's part of what my father tried to do. and i know it was hard, because black daddies like telling you when something is difficult. >> i never dropped my tape recorder. my daddy tells war stories -- lester holt didn't laugh at that one. good journalism cost, that's the truth of the matter. it costs people, and even your freedom. wall street journalists are sitting in prison as we speak on espionage charges. espionage charges, that's the foreign version of fits the description. there are hundreds of people around the world just doing their job. most national stories in this country

we had it with alex jones. that was a person. but this is historic. i mean, the last time we had a defamation lawsuit that settled this big wasn't nearly this big. it was the abc pink slime keys in 2017, right, exactly, and that was like a beef products inc. whatever the company was, but that was $177 million. so if you think about it, this is such an extraordinary huge, huge, huge settlement, and i think it's going to have enormous implications for how we see fox managed lawsuits moving forward now the question, alison we've been talking about this all night. does it actually changed ? fox? does it change the way that they handle their coverage? it's hard to say i mean facts is not required to apologize to its views viewers. nor is it required according to the settlement issue. any retractions or corrections? that's huge. that's huge. that's the whole point. so do you know what my two cents is? dominion one? i mean, dominion got what they wanted. 787 is a huge historic settlement, but i'm not sure that journalism or democracy or the country one becau

alex jones, because they knew that even republicans would say, kne i don't want to defend those people, though. are there a bridge too far ? e and then the president gets that an expanded n-word. again, these are not people, the kind of black radicals, ests democratic party establishment representatives like there are res who attack the bidene are administration who don't vote democrat. these are real democ these decii and they know that notll even. democrats will defend them. >> n>> they'o, they're not takin from apple and facebook. they weren't i'tn onn the blm s. they actually mean it. now you're making me like themur . >> glenn greenwald, i appreciate your coming on tonight and getting, as you always do to the corgettintoe it underneath it all.h thank you. great to be with tucker. thanks, . buanks, . syhe's been fixing our racist roads. you just got to tear the rt,m up when they're racist. you really just have to rip them out. b but he's taking a break fromo ar that to address misogynist crash dummies.h dummies. for real. ies.h dummies. more on that next. for real. more on that nex

it seems you want to buy a conspiracy theory but at least it's affordable unless you alex jones and would900 million. we have to put the stuff behind us because the truth is important. people can't afford the truth but you all can't afford to find the truth for free. the work you do as a journalist is important, essential, dangerous. my father was a reporter on the front lines with black platoons in vietnam and the south afr african, you cover that. [applause] the civil war which we know today by the way, my father came back home and cofounded, he wanted to tell black stories, american urban radio networks, they've been doing it 50 years and is part of what my father wanted to do. [applause] i know it was hard because he loved telling you when something was difficult. i never dropped my tape recorder. [laughter] my daddy told were stories. [laughter] lester didn't laugh at that one. [laughter] turn them off, because the truth of the matter. the cost of people but also journalists and your freedom. we talked about sitting in russian prison on espionage charges which lacked the foreign equi

i mean, unless you alex jones because you about 900 make and i understand that we have to put this stuffthe paywall because creating the truth is important people can't afford the truth. but you walk can't afford to go find the truth for free. the work you do is journalist is important. it's essential. it's dangerous. my father was an embedded reporter on the front lines with black platoons in vietnam. he was in the south african soweto riots he covered that. the civil war in rhodesia, which we know today is zimbabwe . my father came back home and co founded the national black network because they wanted to tell black stories. what's up american urban radio networks now and they've been doing it 50 years and that's part of what my father wanted to build. you know? and i know it was hard because you know black daddy's love telling you when something was difficult. they were shooting at me, boy, but i never dropped my tape recorder. my daddy tell war stories like brian williams. alright let's hope didn't laugh at that one. okay, so i have enough. good journalism costs. that's the truth of

oath keepers there, the groupers can also our alexander like marcus was talking but, he also had alex jonesou had roger stone committee guest appearance over alexander's phone through a megaphone. and then ali alexander rally everyone to quote-unquote storm the capital in georgia. this was a group of people that was a peaceful protest, but this is a group of people who use that opportunity to network, to come together under the ban of stop the steal and president trump, and despite the fact that they hated each other, in fact, i think there's a video of some of the people harassing stuart rhodes on the street in atlanta, but they still came together for this common cause. >> so they weren't so principled that they had to stick with their own ideologies it sounds like. we talked about trump being the uniter. james, what did you in the deposition that you did uncover about trump as united way calms and influence of his rhetoric on individuals who were not associated with these particular extremist groups? >> i mean, that sort of, trump was the reason marcus and i interviewed a lot of people w

alex joins us from nashville. it sounds like former representatives jones and pearson could quickly get their jobs back. that happen. >> alex: well, linsey, they could very well have their seats back by next week. maybe as early as monday. nashville city council and officials in memphis where pearson is from have indicated they intend to hold able to reinstate the representatives. they would serve until there's a special election and they could run again. linsey? >> linsey: alex, thank you. breaking news. the pentagon investigating how top-secret your stomach -- documents came to be posted on social media. troubling disclosures not only about the war in ukraine but also china iran and the middle east. how did this happen? and what does it mean for national security? abc senior white house correspondent mary bruce is at the white house tonight. >> mary: growing concerns as more and more top-secret classified pentagon documents are being discovered posted on social media. of thousands of pages of sensitive material dealing with everything from china to iran's nuclear program to north korea. it comes as th

or maybe someone like alex jones who has made a career in arguing conspiracy theory. maybe these folks deserve a closer look at themselves. peter: michael, broward county, florida, please go ahead. caller: i wonder if you have thoughts on the mst murders here in florida. it ties into what you were talking about, especially with contemporary and religious freedoms. in florida, there is no vaccination requirements. if you want to get at any vaccination, you somebody sign a form. it does affect things. the mst situation, and a lot of people are not aware of it. how guilty is the community at large versus the person? if committee was outraged that he was not put to death because of his childhood, you mentioned childhood, client wonder if you have heard of edwards tented experiences. we now know from this large study that our brains are like plastic. what happens in our childhood completely changes them. it is not just adverse experiences. success also changes the brain. we are all familiar with ptsd. peter: and not there. we will stop you there and see if jeff guinn has a

the grifters right who are selling supplements an have their podcast, and she wa on info wars, alex jones'scial incentive to pus this, but i would say th majority of people who are following this really people who saw that video and did not see anything else, and we ar just concerned we just didn't know. it's so that is wher misinformation thrives in that sort of information vacuum whe people want answers, and because of the hospitals response, which was to d basically nothing, that just grew and grew. >> nbc senior reporter brand zadrozny, thank you so much, great work, and you can listen to brandy's full conversatio with tiffany dover on he podcast entitled truthers, tiffany dover is dead. and on any platform where yo get your podcasts. >> coming up, joe's ne interview with filmmakin legend martin scorsese this endeavor just ahead o morning joe. these suits are here to make sure that anything i say is legally indisputable. like... we got more spaces than space! that's entirely incalculable. oh, i think that's legalese for... for true! apartments.com the place to find a place. you're doing