alex rosen is with the international physicians for the prevention of nuclear war, and he joins me now. dr. rosen, thanks for joining us. welcome to d. w. how concerned are you or should we be in fact about shelling at the separation nuclear power plant? i'm afraid, very concerned. we've been watching the situation in patricia for the past 8 years now. you remember the initial fighting and eastern ukraine started in 2014. and it's just a very, very dangerous sight. it's europe's largest nuclear plant. and it's basically the most vulnerable piece of infrastructure that you can imagine in the country at war . that seems he, i agree with you on that, but some expert say that the danger is quite localized. so obviously terrible for the local residents, but not necessarily likely to cause a wide or nuclear disaster. what do you say to that? oh, as we all know in war, there's always collateral damage. if you remember the situation in kosovo war where natal accidentally bomb the chinese embassy. i mean, who is to say that so russia in it's almost indiscriminate shelling and does not cause dam