and for that reason the one thing which alex samet wants everyone in which david cameron is obsoleteot going to give them is a debate. because that i think they believe would be a game changer. that actually could change the dynamic and potentially give alex samet the momentum which so far, so far he has lacked. but the no campaign which i think led by alastair darlings been accused of being very quiet, very low profile. fair criticism? >> i don't think it's a criticism. i think that is a positive. because a lot of people i think of you alastair darlings as rather a clever counterpoint than alex salmond and this is alex salmond is a very sort of pugilistic, smart, quick witted, fast talking politician. alastair darlings is sort of like the earnest angle, much more sober, much more levelheaded. i think there is a view that actually plays to the argument which the no campaign are trying to put, which is why break up something which is working so well? why do you need to do this? i think there is a view if you're trying to engage alex salmond for having a much more abrasive character, t