and hoping to keep talking with alex sandra house, tony blink can indicated any willingness to make concessions on demand. now that's emily's described as non starters. no, not at all, and said they are really nonstarter as for the you ass and for nato. because it's really difficult to imagine that we could see at the administration or nato officials saying that they would never edmund admit to ukraine today, elias, or that they would to pull back troops from eastern europe. so what you ask is willing to talk about and to have a serious conversation, is there some areas where they believe that both sides could reach an agreement? for instance, they are willing to talk about arms control or about the scope and scale of military exercises in europe, and they are talk about father a trust to building measures. however, as emily just mentioned, it doesn't seem that the kremlin is interested in those areas at all. right. and what of russia's aims has been to elevated status of it to that of a superpower digging i to i with usaa, alexandra, how is this meeting going down with european allies who are