alex's bed, holding her little hand. i mean, that's just how he was. rob stafford: the former girlfriend regularly took alex to visit steven in virginia, and the bond between father and daughter grew strong. alex's mother then realized steven could offer more stability and a better home life for their daughter than she could, and she gave him full custody of her. that says a lot about him as a dad. yes. steven was responsible, and that says that he was determined to be part of his children's life. rob stafford: when alex was two, steven moved her to virginia to live with him full time. he made sure she was in a good day care, and there was always times when he i had to make sure he ran out got her at the right time. did he complain that he didn't have freedom? absolutely not. he was content with that. rob stafford: but steven also wanted a wife. when his coast guard service ended, he returned home. living in a house behind his parents, and got a job with the state. about a year later, steven noticed an attractive woman whose office shared a parking lot with his. he

he's the research director at the centre for migration control, and my wonderful panel, that's alex stafford the former conservative mp, and fahima mahomed, the broadcaster and the neurodiversity coach. welcome to you one and all. rob, i'm going to start with you. first major policy announcement. it had to be on immigration with nigel farage's party nipping at the heels in fact overtaken kemi badenoch conservative party. i expected a big banger, felt like a damp squib and more to the point, the kind of things that kemi badenoch was lamenting, she said. there is a conveyor belt of people on the pathway of indefinite leave to remain 2 million people by next year, to which most sane people will say, well, that's because you couldn't control the borders for 14 years while in power. my question to you is the policies outlined today, will they have any impact or is it just too little, too late? >> so first of all, i think you're absolutely right. the conservatives have a huge legitimacy issue when it comes to the topic of immigration. i think they presided over record levels and they have changed