that's all in the alex van der zwaan sentencing stuff that's going back and forth. part of the story is van der zwaan pleading for leniency and the special counsel not at all indicating that they are down with that. but the other part of it is the special counsel's office showing their hand as to something they've got. dear mr. president with no little team. these filings from the special counsel's office now spell out explicitly that during your presidential campaign, your campaign manager and your deputy campaign manager were in frequent contact with, what's the phrase? with a person the fbi assesses to have had current ties to a russian intelligence service. and they couldn't have been unwittingly duped into doing this, because your deputy campaign manager is on record, telling other people at the time, hey, call this guy. he's gru. he's russian military intelligence. and that's not us guessing at what the special counsel office is looking at, that's them telling us what they've got in court filings, where they are also going super aggressively at a guy they've al

but we're also getting to the frame of mind of russian government, alex van der zwaan and paul manafort says that van der zwaan thought kilimnik was part of russian intelligence because gates told him so. you wouldn't see this in mueller's report for mueller didn't have the goods on this. we know in the past alex van der zwaan recorded the conversations. he had a conversation with kilimnik and gates in 2016. one can speculate mueller may have a copy of the recording and that puts more pressure on gates. and i think the other big thing is now being able to flip other people with this kind of evidence that we imagine mueller has, this is how he flips up from gates and monfort to others. >> last february manafort said, i have never knowingly spoken to russian intelligence officers and i have never been involved with anything to do with the russian government or the putin administration or any other issues under investigation today. turns out, according to the fbi he was employing one in his business in the ukraine. >> it's strange to think that rick gates would have known something about o

this document from mueller was in the charging of alex van der zwaan who was the one working with manafortd was convicted or pled -- pleaded to lying to the investigators. right? here's the thing that is fascinating about this. during his first interview with the special counsel's office, he admitted he knew of that connection betweening the intelligence connection between person a and russian intel stating that gates told him person a was a former russian intelligence officer with the gru. natasha, the issue now becomes did gates know that klimnik was working with russian military intelligence as is he talking to him during the campaign? >> well, the special counsel says he at least told van der zwaan he was former gru. that was an open secret. whether or not he knew he was still connected to russian military intelligence during 2016 kind of remains to be seen. it's interesting because what we also see in the filing is that mueller deems this pertinent to the investigation and thinks kilimnik is a valuable tie weave the trump campaign and russia. the fact that he's now using gates' words

you know, we have also seen in the indictment to the dutch lawyer alex van der zwaan mueller going afteror lying about a single e-mail, a single communication. when you get these broad sweeping subpoenas for a wide ranging set of communications, you know, everyone who is facing one of these subpoenas has got to be double and triple checking what they're turning over to make sure they are not withholding any material information from the special counsel. >> one other thing here, sort of the ether of the last few days, maybe robert mueller is starting to prepare some indictments over the e-mails. over the hacking of the dnc e-mails, and john podesta's e-mails to begin with, sort of where this all started a long time ago, we don't know who that can include, talking about russians here or not, roger stone is a name that has surfaced in there. maybe not to be charged, maybei who knew about the e-mails over time and that could be a nunberg connection. he worked closely with roger stone. >> absolutely. we have seen sort of roger stone pop up in a number of different pieces of this investigation

for false statements which range from the low ranking volunteers like george papadopoulos or alex van der zwaannot heard from much in the public realm to mike flynn to most recently rick gates who lied while trying to cut a plea deal. so when you take it all together, maybe they kept lying because they thought some lies are okay and in life, that can be a legitimate and larger debate, depending what's going on. but in this case, bob mueller's made it pretty clear, when you don't tell him the truth, it's not just a lie, it's a crime. ha, something needed to be done about what was going on in our inner-city. instead of buying a house, we decided to form this youth league. these kids mean everything to me and i just want to make sure i give something positive to do. ♪ ♪ wow, that's amazing. that's a blessing right there. to know that someone out there cares and is passionate about what we're trying to do in our communities. you excited? yes. yeah, we're gonna to look good right? yup. awesome. alright come on, bring it in man. love these guys right here. ( ♪ ) stop dancing around the pain that's ke

allegation coming in a recent report from prosecutors about upcoming sentencing of attorney alex van der zwaanown interactions with gates and person "a." interestingly enough, his father-in-law is a russian billionaire, who was recently named in the treasury department's list of russian oligarchs, german khan. what does all this tell us about where the mueller investigation is headed? did you guys keep up with that? that's a lot. >> yeah. >> that is a lot. this was a shocker from robert mueller from a legal mueller from a legal perspective as he builds his case. how significant do you think is his new connection? >> it's quite zig and what it tells you is the beauty of cooperation agreements. it's very unlikely they would have had access to this information but for the cooperations agreement already solidified between gates who has pled not guilty and van der swaan you have access to this information, the reason why you have cooperator agreements, and that could have been decided not to name person a. talked about how it's pertinent to the investigation without detailing the specifics, tells y

d a lawyer, alex van der zwaan, he is a foreign lawyer who worked here in the united states. we have five guilty pleas. e have 14, 15, 16 times -- indictments. there's a lot of smoke. where there's smoke there's fire. mr. kildee, you talkedbout sort of the bread and butter issues. do i have a good job? am i ready as the economy changes and innovation kicks in? am i going to be ready for the next job? do we have the proper infrastructure for this country so that for the next 50 years we can compete with anybody at anytime? i mean, those are the conversations we really want to have, but when you get down to it, at the very heart of why we are america, why we are the united states of america, it's about our freedom. it's about the sovereignty of this nation to conduct its own affairs without interference by another entity. russia, england, japan, north korea, doesn't matter. we want to take care of ourselves and not be told what to do by others. and that interference from outside of this country, despite these big questions we have as to our infrastructure, our future of our wor