alex vanderschwann is expected to plead guilty later this afternoon. that's sending a very strong signal. >> it is. mueller is sending a strong signal. don't lie to him and don't try to defraud the government of the united states, period. it doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter what law firm you might have worked for, and he no longer is with skat and archbishop arps. he's saying if you lie to me, i'm going to call you out on it, and jessica says, yes, this can also aid him into his investigation into rick gates and to paul manafort, obviously, but first and foremost, i think this sends a very strong signal to anybody going before the special counsel. >> april, it does send a very strong signal, especially to paul manafort who is pleading not guilty. so far rick gates is expected to plead guilty, cop a plea, flip and cooperate with investigators. the pressure is on manafort to do the same. mueller's hope is if he does, others could be implicated. >> when you do a plea bargain, it's to get someone higher. and who is higher? the question is, wha