what it means for the hacktivist community at large i'm joined now by investigative journalist alexa o'brien who's been covering the case was just there yesterday thank you so much for coming on alexa. having me so pay pal wanted five point five million dollars in damages now the only and collectively pain in thousand dollars of pay pal how these damages assessed in the first place. well that's a bit of a mystery because the plea deal that was structured through the settlement conferences that i've been happening over the last year which boiled down to one felony count which with the witch with the eve which was either conspiracy or damaging or protect a computer and then the misdemeanor was adversely affecting a network or a system. those were all hammered out like i said in a settlement conference the the process of trying to produce the damn it. or lack of damage evidence from pay pal because the government didn't have ownership over it was a series of of you know essentially sidestepped subpoenas by e-bay and pay power what cited in the court records is a couple of items the five point f