but alexanda kotey was picked up in 2018. with his colleague, el shafee elsheikh.he was brought to the united states... two years later. ..charged with murder, and in the course of detention before he was finally convicted and imprisoned in a maximum security prison, he agreed to meet you. mm—hm. you had three meetings. we did. how, you know, when you reflect on the course of those three, what did you bring to those meetings in terms of any expectation? what did you want to get out of it? i wanted to... i felt very challenged byjim, because had jim survived, he would have wanted to hear alexanda's story. why? you know, why was he...? i mean, his family had sought refuge in the uk. he was brought up there. and why had he become radicalised? why? you know, jim would have wanted to hear that. and as a mother, i wanted alexanda to know whojim was. you didn't take hate into that first encounter, or did you? i did not, no. ihad... i've never had any hatred, um, just shock, anger towards our government, and a lack of understanding of how anyone could do some of the horren