a jingle that someone named alexander aspinwall bought some gloves i think at the shakespeare family glove shop. people kept the record, it says the will -- the gift is small, the will is all, alexander aspinwall. he gave it to the woman he was courting. the person who wrote that in the 17th century said posing on a pair of glove, written by mr. shakespeare. so i think shakespeare was probably a teenager and wrote that totally undistinguished little poem, a jingle to go with the gloves. but the first serious -- there's lots of leeway to argue about this, but probably to a gentleman in verona. >> what year? >> these this is difficult to say. maybe the late 1580's. could have one of the henry vi plays. >> so he would have been in his late 30's? >> oh, no. >> no, 20's, late 20's. >> yeah. >> the -- you say the first 17 sonnets and you say he wrote 154 sonnets. >> yes. >> first 17 were written for the earl of southampton? >> well, that's what i say. but we don't -- we don't know for sure and we don't know for sure because they're rather canny. these poems. >> canny -- >> not identifying