. >> charlie: alexander hague. >> alexander hague. when you wake up in the morning do you wake up with a grand design to take over the world? i don't think so. what you do is you look at the prospect of 1.6 billion people. i think diversity in china. how do you keep it stable. china doesn't have a great track record in keeping this country together. there's been revolts, rebellions, every couple hundred years. and secondly you are trying to create a 21st century society with the very best educated people. >> charlie: coming from a very different base. >> and you're trying to control it. they want to control the internet. i don't believe that it is compatible to control the internet and to want a 21 century society in the community, etcetera. >> charlie: if you had say that to them, what do they say? >> they come up with one word and they do this not just the party charlie. i interviewed -- >> charlie: stability. >> you got the word, stability. he is very careful. he talked about censorship. he didn't use that burden with you he talked