this is alexander hamilton. ivocal experience the inefficiency of the subsistent federal government, you are called upon to deliberate on the new constitution for the united stesf america. the subject speaks its own importce. comprehended in its consequences nothing less then the existence of that union. what was alexander hamilton saying there? >> that is the opening salvo of the federalist. it goes on to say it seems to have been reserved to the people of the country to decide the important question whether society is a minor capable of establishing good government or whether they are forever destined on accident and force. think about that. what he is saying essentially is free government has never worked. in the history of the world, there are momentary rains of glory that break forth from the gloom and while they dazzle us with fleeting brilliance, popular government is a history of failure. we have the chance hamilton is saying to do it right. to show that all people is really capable of governing themselve

hamilton. he'll be the leader of the radical movement. no relation to alexander. scots-irish stock. all the same. john hamilton was not just the chief law enforcement officer of the region. he was also the head of the state militia of the region. so he is involved in charge of arresting the people who did this and leading a military response, anything that might come out of it. he was appointed by the governor, by the way. that's a very bad problem, that synchronicity there. the incestuous nature of this event. and that will become a major problem for president washington in the future as well. a year later, a very similar circumstance occurs. a man named robert williams shows up in the scots-irish communities. he says he's a traveling teacher. he needs students as around. right. he can teach them and that actually happens. back then but then he begins asking strange questions. questions like, do you know anyone who hasn't paid their taxes. who hasn't registered? they're still so obviously these very suspicious people believe he is a spy for the treasury department. so they drag him

the answer is alexander hamilton. where is the most important place to look? the federalist papers. hamilton writes roughly half. how many are about taxes? seven. is it rogue boy he's playing the toy soldiers and doing the sums in his head. you have to pay for the toy soldiers. and he says emphatically, clearly in the federalist papers my friend david agrees and nothing else. says that philadelphia philadelphia here is what he said. here is his philadelphia plan taxes on land. this is a volume of three of the record taxes on land, houses other real estate and capitation taxes shall be proportioned. that is his proposal. i've been studying this for 20 years but there are 10 pages in this book to waging more about this is dedicated and then spout hamilton is your man. if i could resurrect john marshall right now he would sit listen to alexander he holds hamilton in awe and hamilton knows his stuff. >> no unforced i do not have that. it has that magic power i wish leslie breaks the fourth wall why can't real life be like this? because it is not. hamilton at philadelphia and going to rea

alexander hamilton's theory, demagogues do bring down marcy's. -- democracies.t at the -- in ancient athens they had the idea of building a democracy on monday, all these people will participate, our friends in togas will give speeches and the people will vote. by thursday, they were saying what have we done? my gosh. that is where the invented almost medially the word demagogue, to recognize demagogues who use these unfortunate talents of fear mongering, hatemongering, division, demonization, etc. to do harm to democracy. yes, i'm talking about donald trump it only because he is the best people are going to be studying donald trump for as long as democracy survives and books are allowed to be written. there is freedom of conscience and independent study. i think in the next 500 years people will be studying donald trump as the most remarkable classic case of a demagogue in at least modern history. host: robert in lake jackson, texas, independently. -- independent line. caller: hello and good morning to my fellow americans. thank you for taking my call. i wanted

as thomas jefferson famously remembered, alexander hamilton nefarious schemes. all right. day we will remember hamilton is the archetype of many of financial institutions. the original innovator of many of the financial institutions that gave birth to the market revolution and the industrial revolution. but jefferson and madison would have derided him until last days as the great enemy of self-government. this reading of history and philosophy undergirds the jeffersonian republican opposition. all of hamilton's plans, all of his major economic proposals between 1790 and 1792, the republicans come back to these ideas again and again. but i want to focus on one of the most significant points of and it is here i think we can identify a durable durable tension and that's the bank of the united states chartered in 1791 the bank of the united states was modeled on the bank of england. it was privately owned corporation, chartered by the government, holding tax revenues available to lend the government money, but otherwise to engage in the principles of fractional reserve lending

the dual aaron burr, that then vice president of the united states, kills alexander hamilton america'sttempt against the president captains in 18, 35, against andrew jackson jackson, the seventh commander in chief. a reddish american house painter named richard lawrence, was waiting on the steps of the u.s. capitol. lawrence pulled out a pistol and directly shot at jackson and the pistol misfired lawrence was someone who is mentally unstable. but what's interesting about this very first assassination attempt is that it was politicized. people began pointing to jackson's enemies and other people claim that it was fake. it was a ploy for jackson to get sympathy soon america would face its deadliest war anybody who's going to look at america and the 85th decent 1860s will tell you where a lot more violent than it is today chapter to the battle to abolish slavery people particularly southerners, were becoming more and more extreme and what they were prepared to do to preserve slavery and to fight back against abolitionists and antislavery advocates the 16th us president, abraham lincoln, l

going too far the whiskey rebellion, which is a response to attacks on internal goods that alexander hamiltonecond the treasury put into play these farmers in western pennsylvania begin to protest about this, begin to burn down the houses tax collectors this illustration from 17 93 shows citizens in pennsylvania hauling off a tax collector, tarred and feathered government has been under the constitution only since 17, 89. so the idea at the time that citizens are rising up and protesting against a government act is kind of terrifying, particularly those in power those in power had another battle to fight each other. >> they used to canes and just beat each other in the senate that we used to have duels the duel between vice president erin burnett and alexander hamilton, former secretary of the treasury, takes place in 180 for for any elite politician, your reputation mattered. >> and if he were dishonored in a serious way than you would probably not gain office. so burr dishonored by hamilton's several times challenging hamilton to a duel burr that then vice president of the united states kil

and then you get to the federalist papers by alexander hamilton. james madison and john jay. talk about a group. well, their justification and they were trying to rather they were rather fires they wanted to ratify the constitution. it was drafted. and basically you had to sell to the american people and the three authors the lead was alexander hamilton and you go through all of the federalist papers. they were it when it came out, it became known as the federalist. it becomes in the 20th century, really the federalist papers. but the point that they were really trying to make clear, for example, federalist paper number. 78 was about the department, judicial department. and if you read it today, it's it's in all of the arguments that we're with on on court television and all this thinking about what would be a department of justice, what would a judicial department be like, how can you do such a, you know, create such an entity and lawyers quote it all the time and have people that the problem. well so he was the main writer alexander hamilton wrote the most followed by by ja

and it's interesting argument because people like james madison alexander hamilton, they were all for a majority role and if you think about the filibuster, it's a super majority thing where you need 60 in the old age. you need 67 to proceed on certain types of business. so this is kind of conflict between the concept of what's called majoritarianism where the majority should rule in most cases, but clearly the founders intended for congress to establish their own rules. what is your position as editor-in-chief at the national constitution center? i have a really cool job and i get to work with the constitution every day and i run a blog called constitution daily, which we've had in some form i think for about 10 years. i've been to editor of that blog for the past eight and a half years since i joined we have about 500,000 monthly readers and we talked a lot about history and some current constitutional topics and i kind of wrangle or i'm the editor. that was a product so i write for it and i do other stuff and i'm also involved with a lot of the digital work that we do. we are an ex

there are quorum requirements but it's interesting to argue because people like james madison, alexander hamilton were all for majority rule. if you think about the filibuster, it's super majority were you need 60 and the old days you need 67 to proceed on certain types of business. it's a kind of conflict between the concept where the majority should rule in most cases, but clearly the founders intended for congress to establish their own rules. >> what is your position as editor in chief at the national constitution center? >> i have a cool job and i get to work on the constitution every day and i run constitution daily which we have had in some form for about 10 years i've been editor of that blog for the past eight and half years since i joined. we have about 500,000 monthly readers and talk a lot about history and current topics. there's products i write for it and i do other stuff and i'm involved with a lot of digital work we do. we have extensional digital education organization. live classes we do and podcasts and videos. a lot of fun stuff. >> here at c-span we often turn to the nationa

quorum requirements but it's an interesting argument because people like james madison and alexander hamilton. they were all for a majority rule. if you think about the filibuster, it's a super majority thing. you need 60, 67 to proceed on certain types of business. it's this kind of conflict between majoritarianism where the majority should rule in most cases but clearly they intended for congress to establish their own rules. >> what is your position as editor-in-chief at the national constitution center. >> i have a really cool job and i get to work with the constitution every day and i run a blog called constitution daily which we have, in some form, i think for about 10 years been the editor of that block for the past 8 1/2 years since i joined. we have about 500,000 monthly readers and we talk about some current constitutional topics and i wrangle or i -- i write for it and i do other stuff. i'm also involved with a lot of the digital work that we do. we are an extensional digital organization. we have podcasts and live classes a lot of fun stuff. >> well, here at c-span, we often turn

alexander hamilton wrote that former presidents would be quote liable to prosecution and punishment ininary course of law. that's federalist paper number 69. page 452. for him, that was an importance distinction between the king of britain and the president of the united states who would be amenable to person punishment and disgrace. i mean, if you're going to say that you believe in historical precedent, how much clearer does it get than alexander hamilton saying liable to prosecution and punishment than the ordinary course of law? we fought a revolutionary war to break free from the kingdom of england and the absolute rule of a king or queen to make our own democracy one in which everybody is treated the same, equally, obviously not great for a long time, but equally in theory, under the law. >> history only matters when it serves their end. that's what it seems to me. what i read from this, not as a technical person, a lawyer or anything, now the imperial presidency is now made concrete. it's not about who's in office, about their temperament, their disposition. the imperial preside

puts alexander hamilton in charge. the office. he, 16 years old. he tells the caps captains where to go, what to what prices to charge, how to change the currencies. and so forth. he collects debts that the partners had never been able to collect. he starts running things in a very detailed way with beautiful penmanship. and he manages to impress there to the point that the the good burghers of, say, croix sent him to new york. in 1773 to go to university. there he leaves. he never return. right. but he had this view of the society that he had superintended and when you read the writings that he has in federalist papers or that he has when he's washington's aide to camp this job that he in washington was good at spotting talent, it's hamilton, who was a really smart guy and very active. so he is reading about the commercial cities of the world and he's talking about how we have to have national, like the bank of amsterdam in, the bank of england. we had to be trading like the hanseatic cities of hamburg and bremen and lubeck, the italian city state

. >> so here we have -- this officer became very popular a couple years ago, alexander hamilton. hamilton," but he signed his name "alex hamilton" on his oath. and he was an aide-de-camp to george washington. so that's what he was doing at valley forge. >> norah: that's just incredible, in 2024, that back >> adriana: "heart of america is next." >> announcer: this portion of the "cbs evening news" is sponsored by fasenra. visit us at fasenra.com. ♪ ♪ step back out there with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. ( ♪♪ ) fasenra helps prevent asthma attacks. most patients did not have an attack in the first year. fasenra is proven to help you breathe better so you can get back to doing day-to-day activities. and fasenra helps lower the use of oral steroids. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor

both site alexander hamilton, and in particular federal 77 in hamilton's insistence that there should be energy in the executive and the majority sites that to support its conclusion that the president has to have brought immunity or be deterred from vigorously exerting presidential power and the majority quotes hamilton's letters where he talks about the importance that there be unity in the executive and the president be able to act with vigor and dispatch. the defense said they are misreading hamilton and justice sotomayor are quotes to say that the president has to be vigorous but will be amenable to prosecution and sheet size this meant hamilton assumed the major check on the president would be that like any citizen he would not be above the law and could infect me prosecuted in criminal court. she also quotes other framers of the constitution come in particular james wilson, the guy who came up with the idea that we the people of the united states as a whole is sovereign and also charles pinckney and others who said that they imagine the president would be liable to criminal con

. >> so here we have this officer became very popular couple years ago, alexander hamilton.ex hamilton, he signed his name alex hamilton on his health, and he was in aide-de-camp to george washington. >> norah: that's just incredible in 2024 that back in 1776, the paperwork was so important to the government. >> yeah. we were founded on paperwork. >> norah: [laughs] right. penmanship. norah will have more from inside the archives on "60 minutes" this fall. "heart of america" is next. ♪ ♪ >> announcer: this portion of the "cbs evening news" is sponsored by ( ♪♪ ) asthma. it can make you miss out on those epic hikes with friends. step back out there with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. ( ♪♪ ) fasenra helps prevent asthma attacks. most patients did not have an attack in the first year. fasenra is proven to help you breathe better so you can get back to doing day-to-day activities. and fasenra helps lower the use of oral steroids. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. aller

and it stars alexander hamilton, james madison, thomas jefferson and, george washington, and it examines this question of how is it that. well it's not democracy yet, it's a republic and how do political parties emerge in this country despite the best hopes and expectations of the founders that this country would be spared partizan politics? they weren't we weren't we weren't spared. we've had parties and partizanship from the very beginning. doug brinkley been working on two different projects, one with my presidential had. i'm tracing the the what is executive power and particularly the birth of the executive order. george washington's neutrality acts the first chapter because it's not really in the it's couched attention how much power a president has. washington did the neutrality act and very little executive going on until lincoln what some people call order number one the emancipation proclamation and after that you start seeing this uptick in executive orders going on at theodore roosevelt the progenitor of signing the left and right. and he looks like a piker when you get to tim

alexander hamilton convinced him to take that part out before the address was published to the nationst important and often overlooked point about what biden said and this speech and some of the calls i listened to what you did your open line segment, i was quite astonished at the level of anger and vitriol with people accusing each other of being evil and stupid. biden said we had a choice between unity and division, hope and hate, going forward and backward. . a political journalist who is very interesting, he writes the sub stack notes from the middle ground. he pointed out there is a time and place for everything. that sounded like a campaign page. if there are republicans or independents listening to this who are may be thinking about not voting for donald trump, when you hear the president say without mentioning trump's name in the speech, you hear the president say, i have to give damon credit for saying this, if you vote for this other guy, you are voting for going backwards, you are voting for hate, division, voting for destroying our democracy. will that convince you to see

alexander hamilton's theory, demagogues do bring down marcy's. -- democracies.he -- in ancient athens they had the idea of building a democracy on monday, all these people will participate, our friends in togas will give speeches and the people will vote. by thursday, they were saying what have we done? my gosh. that is where the invented almost medially the word demagogue, to recognize demagogues who use these unfortunate talents of fear mongering, hatemongering, division, demonization, etc. to do harm to democracy. yes, i'm talking about donald trump it only because he is the best people are going to be studying donald trump for as long as democracy survives and books are allowed to be written. there is freedom of conscience and independent study. i think in the next 500 years people will be studying donald trump as the most remarkable classic case of a demagogue in at least modern history. host: robert in lake jackson, texas, independently. -- independent line. caller: hello and good morning to my fellow americans. thank you for taking my call. i wanted to as

alexander hamilton's theory, demagogues do bring down marcy's. -- democracies. the -- in ancient athens they had the idea of building a democracy on monday, all these people will participate, our friends in togas will give speeches and the people will vote. by thursday, they were saying what have we done? my gosh. that is where the invented almost medially the word demagogue, to recognize demagogues who use these unfortunate talents of fear mongering, hatemongering, division, demonization, etc. to do harm to democracy. yes, i'm talking about donald trump it only because he is the best people are going to be studying donald trump for as long as democracy survives and books are allowed to be written. there is freedom of conscience and independent study. i think in the next 500 years people will be studying donald trump as the most remarkable classic case of a demagogue in at least modern history. host: robert in lake jackson, texas, independently. -- independent line. caller: hello and good morning to my fellow americans. thank you for taking my call. i wanted to

alexander hamilton convinced him to take that part out before the address was published to the nationst important and often overlooked point about what biden said and this speech and some of the calls i listened to what you did your open line segment, i was quite astonished at the level of anger and vitriol with people accusing each other of being evil and stupid. biden said we had a choice between unity and division, hope and hate, going forward and backward. . a political journalist who is very interesting, he writes the sub stack notes from the middle ground. he pointed out there is a time and place for everything. that sounded like a campaign page. if there are republicans or independents listening to this who are may be thinking about not voting for donald trump, when you hear the president say without mentioning trump's name in the speech, you hear the president say, i have to give damon credit for saying this, if you vote for this other guy, you are voting for going backwards, you are voting for hate, division, voting for destroying our democracy. will that convince you to see

marshall we have a letter, for example, from bush rod to alexander hamilton saying, gee, can you us some details about some of the revolutionary war campaigns that you were involved in trying to make sure accurate? bush i'd worked on the maps and illustrations are now this also happened in reverse. bushrod washington wrote a two volume set of reports on the virginia court of appeals and later on he did a revised edition and he asked, can you go to the courthouse in richmond and check details on this case for me to make sure that i've got it right? and marshall says, okay. and i was that was rather fond of seeing that because. it's like, oh, john marshall was the site checker, you know, a research assistant for somebody else. okay. now, in effect, bush rod was marshall's editor on these washington books. marshall, as much in the introduction or dedication of the book and we have plenty of letters from bush rod to their publisher describing their working process. is this how they might have on some opinions together? it's impossible to know, because none of marshall's survive. and marshall

alexander hamilton, robert livingston, john j. i was shocked to learn the most recent biography of john j was from the 30s. i bought a used copy and read it and it wasn't that good. i thought even i can do better than this. so, i started researching and writing. jay has this amazing career in state, federal and international. most people today kind of know him for his role in writing the federalist papers or his role as first chief justice. he's basically the author of new york's first state constitution, he's the first chief justice of new york's highest court, he represents america, first in spain during the revolution where he did have much success and then in france where adams and franklin have great success in the treaty that ends the war and establishes our boundaries and then as soon as he kind of gets off the boat upon his return from france he is tapped to be secretary for foreign affairs for the confederation. he's a leader of the movement to scrap the articles and create the constitution so although he's not a delegate

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since the time of alexander hamilton when he took over treasury, the ability for the u.s.uring war time or during a national crisis is one of america's greatest strengths. now, we are running 7% deficits during a good economy. this isn't a recession, this isn't a war. what is going to happen when we hit a recession or a war? and for the first time ever, interest costs are higher than feds. maria: interest cost of $800 billion or something like that. >> of over a trillion. maria: over a trillion is where it's going. where we are right now? >> for 2024, will be over a trillion. the defense budget is roughly 900 billion. we're on our way to 1.5 trillion, just in interest cost, next year. maria: do you think apthat we will go into recession? because even federal reserve chairman jay powell this week said that the unemployment situation while good can be arguably not accurate, the numbers, he said recently. >> much of america's already in a recession, maria. that's what we saw from the consumer sentiment numbers, the voter numbers, is last time i was here we talked about the bi

i'll go back historically, look at what alexander hamilton wrote in the papers and one of the key attributes key executive of president is intellectual and physical energy. they knew that back when forming the constitution. that's true today and i was very comfortable waking president trump up and this is where the answer we got this was very firm and direct and followed them up. fast and admire that. stuart: thinking twice about trying to wake up president biden i take it. i'm trying to read between the lilines and more difficult to gt a dramatic and quick decision out of president biden than out of president trump. we can sum it up like that, can't we? >> well, i think you can. what they are is he's risk avers and makes risk avers decisions and he's historically done that and stuart, this is the same guy, president biden that has director of cia and bob made the comment and joe biden is wrong on nearly every decision in the last 40 years and here's the key one and key was when president obama made a decision to go after osama bin laden in the situation room, they went around and asked if w

alexander hamilton, american and found father rediscovering washington and i brought copy of my book that my wife gave me shortly after 911. in 2000, one, he has his writings have appeared in the new yorker, the new york times, the wall street journal, the atlantic monthly, time, vanity fair. he is currently a senior editor of national review and a senior fellow at the national review institute. this evening, the podium stands near that place in which we invest emotion in the words of our speaker. because it was where winston churchill was admitted to hereditary membership and, the society in 1947. representing a revolutionary war from whom he was descended. through his american mother. ladies and gentlemen, join me in welcoming richard brookhiser to the podium. thank you for that introduction and thank you for coming out. i'm a repeater here. 25 years ago. i filmed a scene from a documentary for a film of by michael packer, which was rediscovering george washington and did a scene from washington's favorite cato. and we use this illustrate the moment at newburgh when he talks his of

so we had alexander hamilton in federalist 69 being very clear that the president could be impeached. president could be convicted of treason or bribery or high crimes or misdemeanors could be removed from office and crucially would always as he said be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. they contrasted that with the king. now, that really has not been in dispute as we now certainly we've got from 1974 when president richard nixon stepped down because he had broken laws and received an accepted a pardon from gerald ford which suggested that he recognized that a president could be held liable for crimes. and we've had in the confirmation hearings of many of the supreme court justice who is yesterday overturned that central rule of law saying they too believe that the president should be under the control of the law. so this is not a question of we've jockeyed with this. this is a question of this is a brand-new development that undermines the central american principle that we are all answerable to the law. now no one is above it. no one is below it. >>

morris, another founding father and i thought, well, let's find the biographies of his friends, alexander hamilton, robert livingston, john jay, and i was shocked to learn that the most recent biography of john jay was from the 30s. i bought a used copy, and i read it, and it wasn't that good. i thought, god, even i could do better than this. so i started, you know, researching and writing and j has this amazing career in state and federal international. most people today know him for his role in writing the federalist papers or his role as first chief justice. he's basically the author of new york's first state constitution. he's the first chief justice of new york's highest court. he represents america, first in spain during the revolution. he doesn't have as much success, and then in france where he and adams and franklin have great success in negotiating the treaty that ended the war and establishes our boundaries. and then, as soon as he gets off the boat upon his return from france he is tapped to be secretary for foreign affairs for the confederation. he is a leader of the movement, creatin

since alexander hamilton was treasury secretary.en, thank you, steve moore, mike falkander, we appreciate it very much. folks, coming up, has joe biden become a national security risk? we'll ask north dakota governor doug burgum next up. remember "kudlow" available as a podcast. episodes every weekday right after the show on spotify, apple and foxbusinesspodcast.com. i will be right back. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. ♪. larry: all right, sort of breaking news. the white house held its first briefing since the debate. so our own intrepid edward lawrence, he has all the details from the white house. afternoon, edward. how are you? what is going on? >> reporter: larry, it was first one in the briefing room, first one on camera since the debate. white house press secretary karine jean-pierre held, peppered with question

i've been saying we kind of have a thomas jefferson versus alexander hamilton thing going on right now comes to crypto. you've got one for the fed power, hamilton's side. the other one for the states' federation, jefferson. however, america, as a political and economic system, has a lot of federal ties. so even if you are a state-chartered bank, remember you probably are carrying fdic, which is the federal depository insurance. the federal insurance is very difficult and has definitely been told to lock out crypto. so whether you're a federally chartered institution through the o.c.c. or state-chartered one, you're probably looking at fdic and the federal reserve, i'm sorry, the fdic has tremendous power over all of those banks. so anyway, i would like to see more competition across states to get this going. however, remember, there's federal folks everywhere. ed: thank you. you're looking at live pictures from the white house. that is the championship teams of the national collegiate athletic association gathering at the podium. we await vice president harris, who's due to deliver mar

and the developing states that was called the democracy was something that george washington, alexander hamiltont democracy had to be suppressed. >> yes, they called it the democracy and they did not mean that in a nice way. it met mob rule to them. >> that is exactly what they thought. >> yes, and they did everything they could to suppress it. >> so many of our problems in this era, the electoral college, two senators per state , i take it back to these guys and the stunning mistakes they made in designing this government. it was not just slavery. there are a bunch of things they got dramatically wrong, but i have a feeling they would be shocked to discover are still using that old document. >> that's an interesting question we will never know the answer to. it's a really good one. they were not mistakes. they did them on purpose but if they were looking at it now what they think it all worked out perfectly or would they actually be up for some change? we don't know. >> they were not trying to give us the democracy we would like to have. >> absolutely not. >> okay, this is the one night i would