i'm alexander lopez. i go to gettysburg college. i'm entering my senior year there. i'm just wondering like when you're in a debate with a more liberal person, what would you suggest to bring them more over to your side in the argument. >> well, it depends on what argument? do you have one in particular you'd throw out. >> one that me and my friend have all the time is about the war. >> about whether it's -- >> he's totally against all the reasons that we went into afghanistan. >> totally against going to afghanistan. well, i mean, you have to say at some point america has to stand up for itself and when there is the direct link between the government of afghanistan and the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11, not to stand up for us means we just encourage others to attack us. what does he say when you've said that because i'm sure you said that. he usually goes off about how -- like we supplied stuff. >> yeah, do that. that's called a diversionary tactic. you say no, no, what about my point. what about -- 'cause they love doing that. they love just talking about peac