attorney. >> mclean: we think it's a problem that often poor people fenseless is at the heart of alexander mclean'son. most of the people who are in prisons in kenya don't come to court knowing their rights, knowing how a court works. >> mclean: you might meet people in prison who think that the police are the ones who've convicted them of an offense. or, they've never had a copy of their judgment. so they know that they've been convicted, but they don't know exactly what of and why. and so, our hope with our work is that we give people fair hearings, so even if they're convicted or they're given a prison sentence, afterwards they say, "well, that's fair because my voice has been heard." >> cooper: morris kaberia was sent to thika prison in 2005. he was a police officer, and was accused of stealing a cell phone and credit card. how much time do you end up in pre-trial detention, waiting for your trial? >> morris kaberia: eight good years. >> cooper: eight years? >> kaberia: eight years. from 2005 to 2013. >> cooper: in court, he claimed he'd been framed because he didn't pay a bribe to a superior o