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my next guest is alexander shabba, is the former ukrainian, and bachelor to austria. he's also the author of the book, ukraine versus dark is a collection of essays based on the 2 and a half decades that he spent as a career diplomat and speech writer for ukrainian leaders. and bassett. or it's good to have you with this get to see you again. what can or, or what, what could president zalinski hope to achieve by speaking at the era bleak summit today. i mean, considering that syrian president barger, i will sod was sitting in the audience there listening to it. thank you for inviting me. uh, well, uh, i think this visit was a long overdue because this part of the world was always kind of problematic. we crane and to receive the rest of it right now is trying to mount some wave of supports among the nations of what they call global self and the to try to pools as the downside into release. oh, although uh this war they're conducting you into those or in the us history. yeah, of course it's a, it's, we are to see the serial president, saving him on the, the leaders cons