member ofrrent parliament, alexander stubb joins us from helsinki.cing a hung parliament here in the united kingdom. that is a fact. is this a worst-case scenario for the leaders of europe as they are waking up this morning? macron along with madame merkel? this is not good news for europe, is it? >> it is not good news for anyone. i think the situation is quite messy. it is complicated, it is not very stable. that is why at think it is time for everyone to regroup. we need to count to 10 and big era out how to take things forward. the burden of proof lies in the u.k. the u.k. needs to sort itself out before your can make a move. you that inuarantee a lot of european capitals, including brussels this morning, there is a lot of thinking going on, and it will be interesting to see who comes out and says what. i think it will be diplomatic. anna: you say that we need to count to 10, alexander. good morning to you. is a delay possible? are we talking about a situation where the eu could put things on hold? that would send unlikely. is that article 50 has

jonathan: joining us now is former finland prime minister alexander stubb. the room, alexander. great to have you with us. what are your thoughts on george soros? mr. stubb: i agree with him. brexit is a lose lose proposition, and we should certainly not try to punish britain for what is going on. we need to find i think an agreement in the long run. secondly, i think it will take a very long time, approximately five years. thirdly, i think this is a wonderful opportunity for europe actually do go for far-reaching reform, whether it is the rum, security -- the euro, security, and we should forge ahead with integration. jonathan: let's talk about those things. the sense of integration is that line, the push for an ever .loser union there is an argument, alexander, that that push to make fast political decisions over sensible economic once, does that argument apply to the brexit negotiations as well? mr. stubb: probably not because i think at the end of the line, the brexit negotiations, we try to come up with some kind of common agreement, but we will see figh