alexander tokovinin alexander avrilovich? hello. good afternoon. ah, what do you think, now, even if we start our conversation from the end? e, it seems , as a result, this is preparation for war, and a large one in europe a or is still too early to talk about this. i think that we can confidently say that the results of this nato vinuse itself testify to the long- term consolidation of the strategic course towards military opposition to russia in our country. that is, essentially. return to that, or something, this union e, was created in 1949. uh, and for what it existed, then for many decades the confrontation with russia, uh, and for the preparation of the armed forces for this, for the first time after the last thirty years, collective defense plans for the northern central and southern regions of europe are being updated for this, a long-term policy is being implemented somewhere implementation of the european economies. actually, the whole policy of this block. why is it anyway they reacted rather coolly to zelensky in the sense that they did not really promise him anything. this is a game for the public, this picture that we want to see for ourselves. so, some of my colleagues also think, or is it some kind of reality, which, uh, suggests that the sero-atlantic alliance well, here they are, specifically calmly using ukraine, we also talk a lot about this about our goals, because when zelensky said that let's him in nato, they say, it doesn't matter. the main thing is that you have a weapon here uh, you think about it, right? why is nato behaving like this with ukraine now? well, i think in this matter it is necessary to understand that initially setting the topic of ukraine's accession to nato had nothing to do with the security of ukraine , or with the security of europe, or with global security, as in principle, and the whole process nato expansions that have taken place over the past three decades, and here we are talking about another extension of the geopolitical control and dominance of the united states of america against its european allies. this is what we are talking about, and therefore the course of drawing ukraine into nato was actually confirmed in principle, and specifically its design parameters. i think the owners of the ukrainian regime, who are in complete control of it, decide here. some statements or even zelensky's tantrums mean very little here. alexander ilyich, but nevertheless, new batches of weapons that will be supplied and we understand that, and this will not end there , that is, the doctrine that you spoke about, and there are some many hundreds, not thousands of pages. yes, it's published. my understanding is that the information, uh, suggests that this retraction may be pushed to the extreme. that is, as i understand it, we need to prepare for an escalation in this matter. that is, that's all, more or more powerful weapons will be supplied, that is, america will not stop. thousands of pages of which were mentioned are of a closed nature, they are not published, and at the same time it is obvious that the line of escalation of the conflict by the united states and its nato allies is unambiguously continuing. this line is fixed in the decisions themselves, when already the supply of weapons, which are becoming more and more destructive and long-range and thus the alliance is undoubtedly teetering on an extremely dangerous edge,