we're back with alexander vindman and donna edwards. to get the word out and the message out and we have a little granular understanding of what putin's war there looks like. and it is clear now that he is carrying out a campaign of terrorist attacks against the civilian population. just talk about what ukraine faces right now and what they need. >> yeah, i've got to say the social media impact for this war has been amazing to keep people engaged and united around support for ukraine. you know, what's clear to me is that this will be a very tough winter for the civilian population. there will be intermittent utility blackouts, whether that's power, water, thermal because they have centralized heating. i think those are going to be the case for the coming weeks at least, maybe a month or so, although russia's stocks of these strike capabilities, these cruise missiles have gone so low where the russians are taking soviet-era cruise missiles that were armed with nuclear warheads, removing the nuclear warheads, adding ballast and striking t

let's go to virginia in the united states now where we can speak to the alexander vindman, who is a retiredopean affairs for the us national security council in the trump administration before he was reassigned in early 2020. ijust want i just want to put to you i just want to put to you what i just want to put to you what your response is to the events overnight?— your response is to the events overniuht? ,, , , overnight? sure. iwas probably less reassigned _ overnight? sure. iwas probably less reassigned and _ overnight? sure. iwas probably less reassigned and more - overnight? sure. iwas probably less reassigned and more firedl less reassigned and more fired because i testified against the president, i thought i should clarify that, but this is a serious incident. what ended up happening is, whether intentional or accidental, there was a strike on nato territory. 0ver there was a strike on nato territory. over the course of the next day or couple of days, it won't take long to figure out exactly what this is, there is debris, there are all sorts of intelligence surveillance and reconnai

also joining us colonel alexander vindman, the former director for european affairs for the nationalduda of poland. tell us what you're hearing from your source this is hour? >> reporter: good to be with you. we're 13 hour as head here in bali, so it is 6:00 in the morning. and we know that president biden was on the phone with president duda of poland and that call concluded about 30 minutes ago. officials didn't give us a start time. but we know that we were told around 5:00 a.m. local time that that call was going to happen. sand prior to that, national security adviser jake sullivan made a call to his counter part in poland that lays groundwork for how these things go. so at this point this is a significant development, lead tore leader contact and that may import more information to president biden about what does president duda know about what happened on the ground, what might his expectations or requests of president biden, what might those look like. and we know that president biden and president duda have been in communication. they have been in personal contact over the uk

alexander vindman, a whistle-blower, they said, you know, the president is breaking the law.congress has appropriated $191 million for ukraine, and he's keeping it away. and they blew the whistle, and what happened? two weeks later the funds were released. so, you know, it wasn't perfect. some of these people screwed up in over ways. >> but there were heroes. >> there were heroes and there were democrats and republicans, and mostly they were public servants. >> servants. >> if he don't appreciate public service, then we get herschel walker, right? >> yeah. we got that. >> saw a whole bunch of them in the january 6th hearings as well, people in the administration who we didn't know it at that time stood up and said this isn't happening. >> "american resistance: the inside story of how the deep state saved the nation." author david rothkopf, thank you very much for sharing it with us this morning. we appreciate it. >> again, it is important to underline a lot of republicans, like you said, we saw in those hearings a lot of republicans, part of that. so this isn't like a democra

joining me now is retired lieutenant colonel, alexander vindman.irector for european affairs for the national security counter and a senior advisor to both that's, and the author of the book, here, right matters, and american story. thank you for joining me today. for months, there will be reporting that a potential prisoner swap focuses on joiner and viktor bout, and that work that griner has been moved towards one of russia's most notorious penal colony. so what do you think this means for the chances of getting her home? >> just the move itself doesn't necessarily mean that much. i think the fact, this the russians are wrapping up the stakes, putting some additional pressure. the conditions of the penal colony are going to be significantly worse, but she will still be segregated and watched over carefully, because she is a bargaining chip. she's a hostage. russians are looking to extract as much as i can from this prisoner exchange. before this war, the idea of transferring victor booked for anybody was going to be a no-brainer. the russians are

people like alexander vindman, ambassador bill taylor, dr. anthony fauci.vid rothkopf gives these heroes their due. or in david's words, the book is the story of how an informal alliance of women and men working in agencies across the u.s. government, some at the highest level, some several levels down, some well known, some obscure, some republicans, some democrat, some independents came together to keep an unhinged president and his closest allies from doing irreparable damage to the united states and our planet as a whole. joining us is david rothkopf, columnist for the daily beast and author of the new book "american resistance". we have seen pieces of this in other places. we have never seen it all together. tell me how you came to write the book and i want to read from it. >> i came to write it because i started listening to the stories. sometimes on your own show, other places, talking to these people. and it was clear to me that had it not been for these people, things could have been much, much worse. so what i wanted to do is get us past partisans

let's bring in alexander vindman was retired us army lieutenant colonel who oversaw the trump administration'si think it is clear _ ultimate responsibility? absolutely. i think it is clear that _ ultimate responsibility? absolutely. i think it is clear that eventually - i think it is clear that eventually part of the reconciliation at the end of this will be some trials, some folks being held accountable, the difficult situation for russia is that it's a superpower with a nuclear arsenal and sometimes great powers are held above and are part of accountability. i think this war is going to have some of that. as a matter of fact this character, igor, is fighting in ukraine and out of all of the different characters here that were convicted he actually may very well see justice. he could be captured on the front lines, sometime during this campaign. he might seejustice on sometime during this campaign. he might see justice on the court. i look forward for that announcement, the fact is that the russians will continue to lose ground, continue to lose people, continue to give up many pows and he co