field of logistics and energy supply, in isolation of impossibility, okay, please, my name is alexander vred sberbank, and we discussed where to find. financing for those projects that colleagues talked about, especially in the context of a high interest rate, we had such a financial session, but we looked at these tasks from the point of view of the master plans that were talked about, we realized that there are five paths that make sense to move, the first is, of course, the maximum use by the regions of those support instruments that were talked about in the message federal assembly, it seemed especially interesting to everyone to use market ones, in order to maximally direct the volume to, in order to get the maximum volume for financing projects and at the same time reduce the interest rate, this is the first approach that was discussed, the second is prioritization, after all, how to reduce the interest rate? well, since the state money is subsidized one way or another, then, in fact, due to state subsidies, the overall average interest rate on the loan amount will decrease, this is the simples