i mean, i-- a couple of days ago actually i interviewed for the first time oac, alexandra ocasio-cortezesand she is very, as she said, up in her feelings all the time. she's vulnerable, open, millennial that way. i'm wondering if you had an occasion to see nancy pelosi do vulnerability at all? and i wonder if she ever let herself-- i mean, i'm sort of wondering what it feels like in some ways, and what she would let you see, what it's like to be attacked the way she is, targeted the way she is, mischaracterized the way she is and so forth? >> i would nt say i got a sense of vulnerability from her. i eventually felt she let her guard down enough to get a little snippy with me, which is nice, finally felt like enough for that. but you know, she is not an emotive person certainly and i think you're right there's something generational about this, and she was born in 1940 and she's now 80 years old and she's from a much more formal era, particularly for women. as you alluded to as well, you can't separate her, the way she carries herself from how she has been, has been treated, how she's been