one guest is the artist yulia che , hello, yulia, the other guest is the crane academy, alexey romovich khakhlov at moscow state university, a scientist who works, among other things, with polymers and knows well about plastic from the inside at the molecular level. hello, hello. and my first question is a little philosophical: is plastic good or bad? here is alexey ramonovich, plastic , of course, is good, the polymer industry has begun. approximately 100 years ago, during these 100 years surrounding us objects, they have changed beyond recognition, if before it was all mostly wood, some kind of metals and so on, now almost most of the objects that surround us are made of polymer, plastic or rubber, well, in general this is also a polymer product, and of course, modern life cannot be imagined without plastic products, so this is... good , but there is a threat from plastic, there is a threat, because the threat is connected with the fact that industry has developed so quickly over these 100 years , polymer that arise and appropriate waste, plastic, ordinary polyethylene, polypropylene, these ar