but stayinwith you, alexis karteron, where do you see change coming initially?ay it's got to come department by department. can federal law make a difference? >> well, time will tell. right now the george floyd justice and policing act is pending in congress. it's been passed by the house of representatives, and that act attempts to incentivize reform at the local level, tying federal grant money to changes in use of force policy, data collection. it eliminates qualified immunity which is a prodetection that extends to police officers when they are sued for misconduct, and a host of other reform measures. so we'll see if that passes congress. if it does, we certainly can expect some reform measures, but there's a real question activists are raising now about whether that's enough. >> woodruff: and, tracie keesee, how do you see that wi this federal law? of course, it isn't passed yes. do you see it making a difference if it were to become law. >> i'll share alexis' comment in the fact that policing is local and there is only so much the federal government can do