an alford plea -- the screwball pitch of american jurisprudence. >> alford plea, to civilians, to layman kind of feel to it. do you wanna take a crack at trying to explain what an alford plea is? >> sure. it basically is when somebody says, "i'm willing to say that you have lots of information, and -- i'm gonna plead guilty, but i'm not gonna say i actually did anything wrong." >> reporter: and i say, "huh?" >> right. >> reporter: and then i turn to ron and say, "how does this go again?" >> so, he's gonna take responsibility without saying he did it. >> reporter: the state's attorney signed off, and the trial judge accepted sirius underwood's alford plea. sirius was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole after 38 years. a sentence he's appealing. josh daniels got life with the possibility of parole after 28 years. not enough time for some of brandy's loved ones. >> reporter: so where do we stand now? they've-- they've both been dealt with? >> yeah, i guess. >> reporter: your opinion, do you think they both got off easy? >> yes, they did. they're still breathin', she's not. >> r