alfred duff cooper became lord norich toward the end of his life. john julian norich i know is a great historian of venice and the best tour guide of venice i have ever seen. there were a lot of people in churchhill's life that were constants. >> host: president arnn, did the british people make the right decision getting rid of churchhill as prime minister at the end of world war ii? >> guest: i didn't think so and he didn't think so. he gave explanation of that. he ran the campaign very hard. adly laid down the strong implication that churchhill was a nazi. and churchhill laid down the strong ex-flickcation. what he said in july, 1945, the socialist government could not, paraphrase, realize its ultimate aims without the use of secret police, a gestapo. they would not moon that. that is not their in10 shuns but to get done what they're trying to get done that's what they would need. he thought it was disaster. he got beat by a lot. he won, nearly one in election in '50. he won by a little in '51. in both those elections he compared the ultimate con

three days later on the 2nd of october when alfred duff cooper resigned, churchill cried again. in 1940, when fdr's confidante harry hopkins told churchill that he would get a million rifles from the usa, churchill was visibly moved to tears. on the 13th of may, 1940, coincidentally on the same day as the blood, toil, tears and sweat speech, louis george recorded the mp in diaries harold nicholson makes a moving speech telling winston how fond he is of him. winston cries slightly and hops his eyes. as lloyd george's private secretary a.j. sylvester recorded, winston's eyes filled with tears. eburied his head quickly in his left hand and wiped his face. on the 4th of july 1940, churchill cried after the house's decision to sink the french fleet. when churchill finished his speech and sank into his seat, the whole house irrespective of party affiliation jumped to its feet and applauded the prime minister for several minutes, a loud, powerful, and unanimous ovation. sitting on the treasury bench, the tension draining from his body, churchill lowered his head and the tears ran down