ali alexander who we have been discussing with chris gold smith and kash patel. do you know about these four witnesses and the interesting documents pouring into the committee as well. >> ali zand didn't is the most tig can't one. the pack he is showing up and actually answering questions is huge deal for all the reasons that were just pointed out. john eastman might be least significant if he shows up, pleads the fifth and refuses to say anything. kash patel is a fascinating character. we are not aware yet of the extent to who he's engaged with the committee but he was very much a trump world insider. very close as well to congressman nunes. he worked for nunes on the house intelligence committee prior to moving into the trump administration. pat cell also really interesting because he was a senior defense department official on the day of the january 6th attack. to my knowledge, he's the first person from d.o.d. who has engaged with the committee. it is totally possible in the 400 people that liz cheney said they have spoken to are d.o.d. personnel but patel is

so ali alexander is a right-wing provocateur. he was the person who first really amplified the stop the steal narrative and started pushing it out at rallies first in arizona, and then indifference lakes across the country. ali alexander claims that he, along with three members of congress, schemed up the idea of the january 6th rally at the capitol to put maximum pressure on members of congress and hear this loud roaring crowd cheering them on to throughout the votes of biden electors and install mr. trump as president for another term despite the will of the voters. so he has taken the step of now complying with the committee's subpoena. so he is scheduled to come tomorrow, he has already supplied an opening statement to the committee, and he is pledging to get them many many documents. one of the things he has already emphasizing as he is trying to insulate himself from blame, for the violence, that occurred that day. he is starting to blame others. he is saying other organizers at these rallies did not take the appropriate st

ali alexander with the stop the steal organizers is expected to give a deposition today.s expected to release a trove of documents. that's according to "the new york times." members of the panel said they wanted to explore alexander's communication with members of the republican congress and white house officials, believing he could provide insight into any planning by former president trump and his congressional allies in their bid to overturn the election with all that happened on january 6th. he may also know whether the violence was discussed by the former president and those trying to stop certification of the vote. a lot going on. thankfully here to help us understand it, senior politics reporter at "insider," grace meadow. grace, good morning. good to see you. does this lawsuit do anything other than an attempt to run out the clock on the committee? is it likely it will stop the committee from getting meadows' phone records? >> yeah, this is absolutely an attempt by moe dose and his attorney to try to draw things out as long as possible, and we saw it worked for st

ali alexander was kicked to speaking on the evening of january 6th. at one point, the official website for the ellipse rally mentioned they were going to have a rally at the capitol at 1:00 p.m. and on msnbc, dustin stockton was talking to chris hayes and said the point at which he had been an organizer of the ellipse rally soured on donald trump, suggesting that there had been eternal dissent and that trump had cast his dye in favor of the latter. i think that's a really, really important development, as we move forward. understanding how what was going on at the elips would not have been tied to what was happening at the capitol with obviously disastrous results. >> and there are all of these texts that have been released. there's a very tricky situation involving mark meadows. in -- after a string of chiefs of staff who really were not the boss. but mark meadows seems to have been getting texts from all sorts of people, telling him to tell the president that this has gone too far. that potus needs to calm this "s" down. some of them coming from anc

the lawmakers are denying knowing ali alexander. ver met the guy hardly knew him never talked to him. they are all saying that. but alexander was under oath. who are we supposed to believe here? >> yeah. look, ali alexander has already provided deposition testimony to the committee investigating the january 6th insurrection and has been fairly cooperative. now the committee needs to get the other side of this equation. lawmakers from the very start, the inception of this committee have been very evasive and this has been a key question for the committee how they were going to handle exactly how to get information from a sitting lawmaker. legal experts have said since july they've told "the post" there is little precedent for forcing lawmakers to testify, compelling them to testify as a part of a congressional inquiry in the case that they do resist subpoena. obviously we have not seen the subpoenas yet but it feels like it is inevitable after the text messages that we heard last week that tied several gop lawmakers still unidentified

we now have evidence tying them to the ali alexanders of the world but also to mark meadows and eveneney came out and gave us chapter and verse about them and as much as telegraphed, in fact even more so today on the shows, they're going after them. and, you know, that's going to be quite a brouhaha. talk about a hornet's nest in congress. but i think they are poised to do it. and pretty darned soon. >> joyce, i would like you to listen to some comments from january 6th committee chair liz cheney this week regarding donald trump. >> mr. meadows' testimony will bear on another key question before this committee. did donald trump, through action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress' official proceedings to count electoral votes? we know that for 187 minutes, president trump refused to act. and he refused to act when his action was required. it was essential. and it was compelled by his duty, compelled by his oath of office. >> liz cheney, she's not being shy, joyce. it sure sounds like to me she's laying the groundwork for potential criminal charges against donald

. >> interesting figure named ali alexander, he is one of the self described organizers of the stop theteal movement and the rally on january six. i want to play a little bit of sound from him today because he did appear today and cooperate. and then get a reaction to whether his cooperation is sufficient being done in good faith, take a listen >> i was the person who came up with the january 6th idea with congressman gosar, congressman mel brooks, and congressman andy biggs. we four schemed up of putting maximum pressure on congress while they were voting so that who we couldn't lobby, we could change the hearts and the minds of republicans who were in that body, hearing are loud war from outside. >> correction, that was not today, that was much earlier, as he described his own role in it and by his words what he thought the point of the enterprise was. what is your assessment of the level of his cooperation? >> i think i need to reserve judgment on that. but i think that the deposition that we had today, which i participated in, will be very useful for the committee and for a fact fin

. >> ali alexander. >> who was a rally organizer.een i would say dodging the committee and that is john eastman the conservative lawyer who came up with this far fetched memo which trump was using to try to pressure pence to delay the vote. we don't know what he said. some of the meetings are still going on. but they're showing up. >> we've heard some from committee members about their work talking publicly about it but you're learning there is also a lot happening behind the scenes. >> absolutely. so in addition to what we've seen today, i am told they are getting so many people coming in to cooperate that they can barely keep up with it in a certain way. some of these people are coming in voluntarily. we thought there were about 40 subpoenas out there. i was told by this source that there are many, many more subpoenas and that some people are coming in with what they call a friendly subpoena. something to give them cover to say, i had to go in. >> interesting. thanks so much. appreciate it. >>> let's bring in the democratic congres

capitol and people were so angry at the certification that was taking place inside, and b, that ali alexanderessages that i have seen, there does seem to have been some dismay from the ellipse planners about alexander's event. that does seem to, you know, have some truth to it. alexander himself has actually said it was the trump campaign that directed him to lead that march. so i think those are the key points of interest. the gosar pardon offer that allegedly occurred and also, you know, how this became a march to the capitol rather than a normal rally. >> wow, so many layers to this. hunter walker, thank you so much for coming on and chatting about it. as you get more information, come on back. we'll do this again. thank you. >>> if the sudden, sweeping and accelerating takeover of new york by the omicron variant seems almost unreal, there's at least one place that's already gone through it. it is very real. what exactly did that look like? we're going to take you there next. there next out of your zone? lowering your a1c with once-weekly ozempic® can help you get back in it. oh, oh, oh, o

>> alex jones, the conspiracy theory profiteer with the organizer of stop the steal, ali alexander inening! >> i skipped, literally skipped with my flag all the way to the capitol. >> in the crowd, ashli babbitt. >> we are walking to the capitol in a mob. there's an estimated over 3 million people here today. so despite what the media tells you, boots on ground definitely say something different. there is a sea of nothing but red, white, and blue patriots. >> this is what you get with -- >> at 1:26 p.m., u.s. capitol police order the capitol complex to begin evacuations. two minutes later, a call is made requesting the national guard. pipe bombs are being investigated nearby at the headquarters of the dnc and rnc. >> hold the line! >> whoa, this is bad. this is bad. >> by 2:00 p.m., both sides of the capitol are surrounded with mobs fighting police. >> we're still taking metal, sharpened objects, missiles, to include bottles and rocks and hand-thrown, chemical-grade fireworks. this is now effectively a riot. >> capitol police are fighting a two-front war. >> total chaos. total chaos.

chris, john eastman, kash patel, and ali alexander, the stop the steal rally organizer., the committee will decide whether to recommend contempt charges for former white house chief of staff mark meadows after he sued the committee and refused to cooperate. >>> we have more from capitol hill, and also with us, nbc justice correspondent pete williams and "washington post" senior washington corner phil rucker, co-author of "i alone can fix it". >> let me get to the first question. how quickly could a case over trump's documents get to the supreme court? how soon could they rule on something like this? >> well, it will get to the supreme court within two weeks. the appeals court put its own ruling on hold to give the lawyers for the former president trump 14 days in which to ask the supreme court to hear the case. now, there's no guarantee that the court will take the case. you have to ask, in a case like this, for the supreme court to hear your case, the appeal is not automatic, and it's by no means certain that the court will agree to take it. if they do, then really ther

i know my friends, alex jones and ali alexander are approached and asked if they want an escort to theitol at the same time. had alex jones not stop for a bathroom break, they would've gotten there just as the building was being penetrated. you can see it, jones jumps on a chair and says, no, don't go in the building, this is a peaceful demonstration. he tried to stop it. that's a fact. >> trump secret service was involved? >> i don't know why they would escort me to the capitol periods big why didn't you go? >> i don't know. i had an intuition. i didn't want to go. i think god was giving me a signal. i didn't go. they'll make fun of that too, but that's the fact. >> that's amazing. i had no idea. they are still on your case, the federal government? >> i just got a subpoena which is very interesting. let me be as clear as i possibly can. any claim, assertion that i either knew about or was involved in any way illegal activities with the capitol january 6th is impossible. if you read their subpoena, we are investigating the events that led to the illegal events of january 6th. i think t

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also ali alexander. they were both there for several hours behind closed doors with committee members. ryan, the committee, you know, as i said, the victories may be picturic but they are important such that they are. the committee is a step closer to getting these documents that trump has been fiegfighting too and nail to keep secret. he's run out the appeals process. >> there's no doubt about that. the trump legal team already responding to this decision by an appellate court saying they always assume this case would end up in the supreme court. this is another blow for trump's argument about the protection of executive privilege. the apellate court ruling there was no legal reason to allow the court to overrule the privilege decision that was made by the current occupant of the white house, joe biden. that's important because while it will impact this trove of documents, it could impact legal decisions that are still to come. documents or decisions that have to do with some of the privilege statements

ali alexander, the founder of the stop the steal movement, this guy, told the select committee that heto do to overturn the election leading up to january 6th.

the kinds of information that the house select committee is questioning these witnesses about, ali alexanders directly from his telecommunications provider. we're seeing some of the witnesses provide a wealth of information and try to silo other efforts to get a wealth of information. this story continues with more and more documents emerging all the time. >> whitney wild, i appreciate your reporting. a lot to get through. thank you so much. >>> with me now to talk more about this, is michael d'antonio. he's a cnn contributor and a donald trump biographer who has written several books on the former president including the book "the truth about trump". you know the former president quite well, how he functions. regarding this development that former trump cabinet member rick perry may have sent a text to mark meadows just after the polls closed, in your mind, do you believe that trump was aware of these communications, many of which were flowing through mark meadows strategizing how to ignore the will of the voters? >> i'm sure that he was aware. all of this is consistent with the trump dynam

and stop the steal rally organizer ali alexander. >> we've got tons of evidence for them. like i said, thousands of records, hundreds of pages. >> chris krebs, a former top security officials in the trump administration, and johnny smith, who helped president trump contest the election. eastman has said he intends to assert his fifth amendment right. vice chairwoman liz cheney tweeted the committee is firing on all cylinders and already has spoken with 300 people. the show of force is coming as the committee is hitting road blocks with other key witnesses. some loyalists plan to plead the fifty and mark meadows sued the committee wednesday to block the subpoena. >> they are doing a fishing expedition. >> reporter: the suit filed after the committee signaled they would pursue a criminal contempt referral because of his refusal to sit for a deposition. it's a very superficial filing, but it won't be successful. we intend to move forward and hold him in criminal contempt. >> reporter: an bankrupt reversal for meadows, who had been cooperating. cnn learned the documents includ

rampant and often false speculation, a case in point is a single text from a sender who claims to be ali alexanderressman mo brooks, the text is from that number there on the screen, a number congressman brooks' cell phone did not recognize. neal, one, is -- is that excuse going to fly and, two, am i wrong in parsing the words so much that i zeroed in on the fact that it says it is congressman brooks' cell phone did not recognize the number. >> right. these people are too clever by half. and, you know, i wouldn't trust their explanations farther than i can throw them. i don't think these people can tell the truth to a merit. the tell on all of us is are they willing to go to the january 6th committee, under oath, before the american people, and say this stuff. they're not. which is why they're all claiming privileges, the 5th amendment or bogus executive privilege claim, and donald trump is facilitating this, he's trying to use the courts as a shield, hoping that they will intervene so that congress and the american people don't learn the truth about what happened on january 6th. trump ran to the

and stop the steal organizer ali alexander. >> we have tons of evidence for them. like i said, thousands of records, hundreds of pages. >> reporter: chris krebs, a former top cyber security official in the trump administration, and johnny smith who helped former president trump contest the 2020 election. >> we know there was fraud. >> reporter: all four men were expected to answer questions from lawmakers, though eastman said he intends to assert his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. as witnesses a rifled on the hill, committee vice chairwoman liz cheney said the committee is firing on all cylinders and has spoken with 300 people. this show of force comes as the committee is hitting roadblocks with other key witnesses. some trump loyalists plan to plead the 5th and former trump chief of staff mark meadows sued the committee wednesday to block enforcement of his subpoena and one for his phone records. >> they are doing a fishing expedition. >> reporter: the suit filed after the committee signalled they would pursue a criminal contempt referral agains

former pentagon official, kash patel, also ali alexander who organized stop the steal rallies after the 2020 election. he happened to meet with the committee today for eight hours. >> it was really just important to me as a man of faith and a man of peace to have come here and say, stop the steal held 500 rallies in all 50 states in the union, and not one turned violent. >> alexander also denies his group had anything to do with the violence at the capitol. the committee vice chair, liz cheney, said today the committee's approaching 300 witness interviews, and that the investigation is currently, as she put it, firing on all cylinders. late today maryland democratic congressman jamie raskin, who also sits on that committee, offered new clues about their progress. >> everything is moving in our direction at this point. we're getting a really fine grained image of what was taking place. and the money that was being raised, the money that was being spent, the coordination among the different elements, the interaction of the violent insurrection with the attempt to coerce mike pence to reje

ali alexander pledged to deliver a trove of documents about the so-called "stop the steal" rallies when he's deposed by the january 6 committee today. lawmakers are especially interested in alexander's communications with members of trump's white house and republican lawmakers. a warning to our viewers. the following stories contain graphic footage and accounts of police violence. in minnesota, opening arguments got underway wednesday in the manslaughter trial of former police officer kim potter, who says she mistakenly drew her gun instead of her taser when she fatally shot black motorist daunte wright during a traffic stop in april. during opening remarks, prosecutor erin eldridge said potter betrayed her badge, failed daunte wright, and failed in her role as the ranking officer at the scene. >> officer was her training and she was the spo, so she was the one to determine how this stop would go. she was a 26 year veteran. she was the officer in charge. it was her job to show officer lucky how it is done. and what did she show him? she showed him how to kill someone. amy: daunte wright

ali alexander. there he is. the guy in the middle.ganizers behind stop the steal rally appeared before the committee for an eight-hour long deposition on thursday. upon leaving, he was served with a civil lawsuit. the contents of which are unknown. alexander spoke to the media. simultaneously slamming the free press and trying to sound like his dear leader as possible saying he gave quote beautiful testimony in a beautiful building. the deposition for jason miller was scheduled to take place yesterday, but postponed after he engaged with the committee. then the saga of mark meadows. former chief of staff to the president and former member of congress. a person so confused, he is decrying the just published memoir. he is suing the january 6th committee accusing it of violating civil rights after the committee announced plans to move forward with contempt of congress proceedings for failure to comply after saying he would. that is scheduled to take place on monday. there is a situation with the mysterious and dangerous power point prese

last week, ali alexander, who founded the stop the steal movement, sat down for eight hours -- this isn't him, so let's take him off the screen, sat down for eight hours with the january 6th committee. yesterday, we found out a little bit about his deposition. alexander reportedly told the committee about his communications with a trio of congressmen. alexander has previously claimed that, quote, we four schemed up to put maximum measure on congress. to date, the committee has not subpoenaed any members of congress, but events of the past week indicate that they are closing in. congressman biggs, brooks, and gosar represent another worrying aspect of the modern republican party. as the associated press put it, they're among a number of republicans who, quote, resist saying three simple words. joe biden won. nearly a year into the joe biden presidency, they still haven't acknowledged that biden legitimately won the election. it pains them to say so. the irony here is that president biden's victory may now be the most indisputable election in american history. dozens of courts have weighed

interviewed well over 300 people so far, and we also just learned that stop the steal organizer ali alexanders before the riot, including paul go go, mo brooks. who in your mind is going to have the most legal exposure from that trio there? >> of course we can expect the committee -- all of them. the committee is going to be going through, and i agree we're only at the very beginning. i believe at the end of this road there will be a subpoena for trump, but any defense attorney and of course the great glenn kirschner is right on, no one would let him testify in a million years. if there is an all-star person to subpoena, of course it's donald trump. it's any of those three, but the committee has only just begin its work, and frankly i think there's a lot more yet to be done. >> danny, on a separate legal note, "the washington post" reported this week that the rnc agreed to pay some of the trump's legal bills in his criminal investigation in new york. the rnc defended its position saying, quote, as a leader of our party, defending president trump and his record of achievement is critical to th

to be a little bit of a breakdown among some of the rally organizers and we're seeing this with ali alexanderl, who was partly behind that, quote, wild protest. people trying to position themselves as yes, we were there for the peaceable assembly at the ellipse which yes, we were trying to get an election thrown out but we weren't the ones storming the capitol. that seems the line that you're hearing from some of the people that are demonstrably associated with the organization of that rally. >> yeah. as we pointed out earlier, all of this played out on live tv, essentially. but what various people among these groups are saying is we were responsible for the demonstration, you know, democrats objected to the election in 2016, we were doing something similar but we had nothing to do with the violence. in the case of dustin and jen they point a lot of the blame at ali. ali points the blame at other people. so there's a lot of infighting going on here. i will say that one thing dustin and jen told me is that the initial plan was for everyone to remain on the ellipse while, you know, evidence was

ali alexander for one, being given a platform on the 6th. i was pleasantly surprised based on the committee's questions by the depth of knowledge they already had before we even came in, about who the real bad actors involved in this case are. so i will tell you that had they listened to my client, had my client gone on his way, in the days and weeks leading up to the 6th, it pains me to say this, but this tragedy of the 6th would never have happened. they were competing factions within these two different groups that were vying for sort of control, if you will. one wanted to afford a platform to the mr. alexanders and those rogue actors who had absolutely irresponsible and reckless rhetoric they were perpetuating and the others like my client didvoiced those concerns. they were told the concerns had gone to the president and his chief of staff mr. meadows and sadly it doesn't seem that those concerns were actually dealt with. >> josh nass, thank you for joining us. i look forward to continuing this conversation as we go forward and try to l

so, ali alexander saying in a since-deleted video that he worked with gosar, biggs, and brooks, to attemptnuary 6th session certifying biden's victory as a chance to pressure lawmakers to overturn the electoral results. saying quote, we four schemed up to put maximum pressure on congress -- scheme being the important word here -- while they were voting. this is what he said in the video. the panel hasn't formally requested testimony from any of the gop lawmakers yet but has continued to ask witnesses about gosar, biggs, and brooks as well, and representative scott perry, who helped push a strategy to help department of justice promote the fraud claims. is it just, maror harry, a matter of time here before they call these folks? >> you know, i think so. so that channel has been very well developed again from the organizers to the members of congress. and this week, the channel from the members of congress to meadows and, therefore, trump was developed and it was kind of a thunderbolt when liz cheney announced all these things. now, there is, to date, everyone's assumed that merrick garland

keep in mind, ali alexander sat for eight hours of testimony in front of the select committee. he was paying attention to the questions they were asking and now he's going out to report to the public what that was. how are you doing interviews pretending you're not at the center of a federal investigation. he's quite comfortable and the only reason i think is to give it to trump and give it to trump's base. trump is going to take something like this and run with it as he announced his january 6th press conference at mar-a-lago. he's looking for another counterstunt from everything the committee is unearthing. >> a judge denied a request to block the january 6th subpoenas saying there is no basis to conclude that flynn will face immediate and irreparable harm. your take, joyce. >> so flynn found that he could not get an injunction to keep the proceedings from going forward as to him. but i think there's something very interesting going on here. flynn didn't simply try to go in front of the committee and claim executive privilege or make the host of arguments we've seen other wit

and ali alexander, the organizer of the "stop the steal" rally that drew trump supporters to washingtont has brought charges against more than 700 of the maga supporters who participated in the insurrection itself. and serious questions remain about how so many people from across the country were convinced to take such radical actions that day. joining me now is ayman mohyeldin, host of msnbc's "ayman" and host of the podcast american radical. and glenn kirschner, an msnbc columnist. glenn, i am going the start with you. i don't have a lot of faith in the united states sport, but who what do you think the chances are they will review this in expedited fashion, and number two, that they will reverse in your view, reverse this decision to say no, executive privilege really does mean the current president, not the last one. >> first of all, joy, there is no reason for the supreme court to exercise review of the case. there is no serious constitutional issue to be decided or resolved. this is almost a rare instance where you have two branches of government in agreement. the legislative bran

liz cheney is not going to stop at ali alexander. stays a republican is she views the threat as separate from republicanism, and that may be right or wrong, but she views trump and trumpism as the threat, as the criminal actors, and i wonder if you can sort of speak to what's in this report and what is clearly a newly aggressive posture from the 1/6 committee going up to and including mark meadows. >> yeah, i mean, what you see from lawmakers is them looking at this insurrection and saying, we have to understand who the players were. we have to understand how these foot soldiers, these people that we saw break into the capitol, how they got the messaging, the funding, the confidence to feel like they could try to overthrow an election and i also think when you look at this and look at mark meadows balking at the idea that people want to see his phone records, one thing that's in this report that is very important is that mark meadows was communicating with people not only through official white house channels but also through private

ali alexander was in yesterday for eight hours. this may be part of a probe into who was planning what and how much knowledge donald trump had of it. >> we are in the middle of a critical period for this committee. they are staffed up, they are focused. and they are having finally some success of linking together some of the interviews of folks they wanted for some time. yesterday jamie raskin told us they are trying to develop a fine grain image of what happened on january 6th. we know the big picture. the big picture is not in dispute. the latest round of subpoenas are the kind of people who can give you the fine grain detail. they are the organizers of the rally. these are people who applied for permits and were talking to government functionaries about how to set up the basic details of how these rallies came together and led to the attack on january 6th. the witness list for next week includes some of the bigger names in donald trump's orbit, like bill stepien, his former campaign manager. folks who can help connect what donal