you know his life and he was involved with ali frazier. i could not even get live radio. he said that one of his downturns in his career was when he was defending rapists and drug dealers. i guess -- i ask them how you make sense of that. he said it was because when due process is violated, when iran is violated, we have laws -- we have lost freedom in this country. he made sure that every citizen received their due process and representation. it was not up to him to judge the crime, but to represent the client the way that the law allowed and expected you to. he once defended the mafia character that was kidnapped illegally in mexico and taken back to the united states because they could not get extradition. this was in clear violation and he's a lot -- he successfully defended them. we went to this restaurant and all the guys came to pay their respects. i have great respect for them. he was also on the negotiating commtee. that happened while i was living with him. >> to your point, given that your stepfather happens to be an african-american and your mother is white, d