ali latifi, is this your understanding? says.s is what he the thing whereafter remember is , i have been seeing these reports since at least 2011 from the afghan government and now apparently from the u.s. government every day same week killed 60 0 or 50 or whoever and those are hard facts to prove. those are difficult thinings to prove because these operations take place usually at night and in rememote areas, in areas whee the press and others don't have access, where the government does not usually -- he can say he killed 1000 taliban, but what does that really mean? the if they were taliban, -- fell again for the third time and in the province on the west also came under heavy attack. if you are killing 1000 taliban, what does that really say? amy: we're going to go to break and come back to this discussion. we're talking to ali latifi in theanistan and matthew hoh center for international policy in washington, d.c., and we will be joined by two peace activists as dr. kelly as well inng who has worked afghanistan for mo