ali mistal. jill, let me start with you. a quote from the new york times that rudy giuliani is talking about. in response to the idea that the special prosecutor is looking at various public statements by the president, tweets and other things. he says if you are going to obstruct justice, you do it quietly. >> most kinds of obstruction is behind closed doors. but we live in a modern world where you can communicate easily through social media. and send messages by publicly announcing a pardon by a case that involves contempt of court. i will pardon you, you don't have to cooperate in the same way you can threaten a witness against you in the public media and it will count just as much as if you had done it behind closed doors. in this case, we have testimony that he did it behind closed doors and then repeated it because it didn't get through. we wanted it to happen and he did it again. he has been trying to obstruct this investigation from the very first day of it. done everything he could and partly public. who would have thought he would say to nbc lester holt, i did it because i wanted to