he and ali soufan have known each other for 15 years. helps him get inside the mind of al qaeda. are we safer now than we were at the time of 9/11, do you think? >> miller: yes, exponentially so, because we have improved intelligence and improved collection. but remember, as we grow and we learn, the adversary grows and learns, too. >> williams: john miller is also a former journalist and cbs news correspondent, one of the few westerners to have interviewed osama bin laden. >> miller: the mistake that we risk making is to look back on 9/11 as a singular event and say, "well, al qaeda was a one- attack-wonder, and since then they've been falling apart." al qaeda has sustained itself in the shadows. and while other groups are getting more attention, they're getting bigger, and they're patient. >> williams: what is the fear when it comes to hamza? is it that he helps recruit and radicalize young men? >> miller: the base fear is: a, that as he does more recordings and more messages, that he gets better at it; and b, that he is... he is targe

for more on this, and the larger investigation into the bombing, i'm joined now by ali soufan. he's a former f.b.i. special- agent who handled several major terrorism investigations, including the 2001 al-qaeda bombing of the u.s.s. "cole" in yemen. he now runs a consulting group and is the author of the new book "antatomy of terror." welcome back to the "newshour". >> thank you. >> brangham: from an investigator's point of view, help me understand why the british would be so angry about these photos of these bombmaking parts. why are those being out there would bother tell me so much? >> they have an ongoing investigation and this investigation is way more than an act that already happened. there is an imminent threat that's unfolding in the u.k. you want to protect your investigative leads, number one. you need to protect the integrity of your evidence, of your investigation, and when you're trying to catch terrorists who are still on the loose, you know, you don't want them to know what you know. so as an investigator, you know, and it happened to me personally, you get so f

lines of the fight against terror groups from al qaeda to islamic state is former fbi special agent ali soufan. ali, when you look at what happened in manchester how much do you learn from what is in the public domain so far about how an attack like this is planned and carried out? nuno, it's so planned and carried out? nuno, it's so difficult to make a final determination as the investigation is still unfolding and we see that what happened in manchester is connected to different places around the world, it's connected to syria now from what we read from public reporting, and connected to libya. just another example of how the terror threat in the last decade or so terror threat in the last decade or so morphed and mutated from organisations to message to an ideology. we see that threat in the uk now unfolding in a very similar way to what we have seen in other places in europe and the united states where people get inspired, somejoined the states where people get inspired, some joined the so—called islamic state and some are in contact with members and supporters of the group that tries to i

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ali soufan as well. earlier i spoke with phil dick. he had dropped his daughter and granddaughter at the concert. he and his wife were waiting to pick them up when the bomb went off. it's strange to call phil one of the lucky ones given what he saw and what he described to me. what you'll hear now. but his family survived. here's our conversation. >> phil, you and your wife had dropped off your daughter and granddaughter at the concert and you were waiting to pick them up. can you tell me what happened then? where were you when the blast went off? >> we were in the foyer of the manchester arena. and then the next thing, there's a flash and an enormous bang. >> how far away were you from that? >> no more than 30, 40 feet maximum. >> wow. so you know, you heard it -- did you see the explosion? >> yeah. we saw the explosion. we felt the explosion. it knocked us to the ground. >> so the explosion knocked you and your wife to the ground? >> yes. >> and then what happened? >> we picked ourselves up. i helped my wife up. and there was just sm