and also by the alice clayburg reynolds foundation and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith. he's been a staff writer at the new yorker since 1963, and over those many years he's written enough pieces about texas food and politics and life in general the aptly named trillin on texas, published by the university of texas press, is in bookstores now. he's calvin trillin. this is overheard. >> calvin trillin, welcome. >> thank you. >> nice to see you again. >> thank you. you too. >> nice to have you back in texas where apparently you've written a ton of pieces about uss did you even know that there was enough.i, i cculdn't believe there were enough to fill a whole book. >> no, i didn't know, actually. >> yeah. >> when the ut press asked me about it i said, i don't think i've written that much about texas. it turned out there were a number of pieces that aren't in there. >> you had to actually leave stuff out. >> yeah. i left stuff. >> we think that texas is enormously interesting, and we don't necessarily expect everybody else does. and so the quest

and also by the alice clayburg reynolds foundation and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith, he's one of the biggest brand journalists of his generation and mine, now coverg politic and other serious matters for over 40 years. a veteran of rollinn stone, newsweek, new york and the new yorker and currently a columnist for time magazine. he's also the author of several non-fiction books and several nooels, including famously and anonymously, primary colors. he's joe klein. this is oveeheard. >> smith: joe klein, welcome. >> klein: good to be here,ú evan. >> smith: so nice to have you here. let me, let me start with an easy one. >> klein: mm-hmm. >> smith: okay. one-term president? >> klein: who knows? i don't know. >> smith: right? >> klein: i mean, this is my tenth one of these things. >> smith: yeah.3 >> klein: they don't have 12 step programs for political junkies. >> smith: maybe they should. they probably should. >> klein: but, you know, the one thing i've learned over time. >> smith: yeah. >> klein: .is that it is impossible to call these thi

and also by the alice clayburg reynolds foundation and viewers like you. thank you. >> i'm evan smith. he's an activist, academic and author who is one of the true icons of the american civil rights movement. a ten-term veteran of the georgia legislature, he helped found the student nonviolent coordinating committee and served as president of the southern poverty law center, and chaired the board of the naccp for more than a decade. he's julian bond. this is overheard. ♪ >> julian bond, welcome. >> thank you. >> an honor to have you here. >> my pleasure. >> let me ask you about the arc of your involvement in the civil rights movemeet, which i assume you believe continues today. >> indeed so it does. >> you go back to the late 50's when you were a student in college when you helped to found the student non-violent coordinating committee. i date your association with the movement back that far. >> that's right. >> would you agree? >> yes. >> so what have we learned over these years? how far have we come and how far have we not come in your estimation over th