alice fisher. a very interesting person. she received some attention, basically she had never particularly tried cases and was criticized for that shot. in the criminal division. she went over to work and was basically directly placed your. an extreme political operatives in a business where there of politics. she was -- i don't want to say a political hack. .. she was not just the person that was an attorney, she was in the power position to be able to know. torture, we will let that be suppressed to bed. c-span: so, you plea bargained and what was the plea bargain, to her? >> guest: she was head of the criminal division. i call her pretty alice for personal reasons i stayed in the book. when we would be sitting there we would see press conferences. she would put on this red dress and she would be dolled up and smiling for the cameras and i would look up and say there is pretty alice. i incorporated that into the chapter. i didn't connect these dots frankly until later during my prison time and afterwards at the exact integ

i can still use -- alice fisher and that's the other thing. she said the congressman used low just for fund-raisers. no kidding. everybody listening to this program and everyone on my film today i was charged. i pled guilty and i did a lot of from things but using a loge for a fund-raiser collects the entire congress would be -- a loge is a private box. you go to them and you watch the game and you have a fund-raiser. this done today. nothing is changed on that. those are the types of things were they said he used the private lounge. it's done constantly. c-span: here's some video. tom rogers you mentioned and i want you to look at it and tell us what role you played. >> my role was very small. also what happened was i had people who trusted me that came to me and they came to me in the year 2002. i walked into the bar and i looked for somebody who looked like they were looking for somebody and up walks this young gentleman former chairman anti-says tom rogers. this is earnest. tell me your story and i can -- you can imagine i was as a price.