and also by the alice kleberg reynolds foundation thank you. >> i'm evan smith. he recently stepped down as the executive editor of the "new york times" after more thaa eight years in that highest of all high impact which time the paper won 18 pull it's certify prizes. he seems to be falling into fine as an op ed columnist, a blogger and a tweeter. he's bill keller. this is overheard. >> smith: bill keller, welcome. nice to be here. >> smith: very nice to see you. may, may we start broad and talk about the newspaper business? >> keller: you starr wherever you want. >> smith: okay, good. so circulation across the industry is down. revenues are down. competition is greater than ever. would you just end the suspense for all of us and tell uu how thissmovie ends? i think we're all, we're all a little worried about what we're seeing and we hope it's going to be better than it is now. >> keller: well, i mean, i should preface this is, by saying i'm a chronic optimist and, and, and . >> smith: that's no fun. >> keller: i know. i know. and i'm particularly an optimist ab