alicia garza, head of the black to the future action fund.ctivist who has worked with president obama and also an msnbc analyst. and a civil rights expert. thank you to all of you for doing this. rev, i begin with you. what, if anything, do you think has improved from this recent movement? >> we have seen a real movement that is then intergenerational and interracial. but i think that we learned a lot about how we can respect each other even if we disagree. and i think that that kind of unity is the thing that really will bring us to the brink of real change. >> you were there. do you see these protests in the street today as similar as an echo or as rev suggested as broader? >> yeah. i think -- thanks for inviting me. i think when we started out in 1963, '62, '61, basically all we had it was protests. they were -- we did not have the right to vote. we did not have any people in halls of congress. we did not have any economic infrastructure. so at that point what we had, we were spectators to power, and we were able to use what we had in term

meet my friend, alicia garza. are probably more familiar with her work as the co-founder of "black lives matter." >> black lives matter. >> black lives matter. >> black lives matter. >> black lives matter. >> when you say black lives matter. that's anti-american and it's racist. >> reporter: oh, rudy, is there anything you know? alicia is one of the coolest, most-intelligent, and down-to-earth people that i know. but the way in which the media test twists her work is a monument to white confederacy. so like a confederate flag in south carolina, we are taking it down. >> i am always happy to see and talk to you. >> let's get it popping. >> yeah, this is happening. no, this is good. you know, there is so many places i could go with this conversation. i want to start with a lot of people still think it's against white lives. >> you know, it's interesting. whenever black people declare unity, in the midst of, like, unmitigated chaos. somehow, it is so threatening to white people. it is as if when black people say we l

patrisse cullors, alicia garza, they want to own this space and keep it.ion because they have expanded into the uk and others. what they are is they're the, think about the al sharpton shakedown on steroids. instead of going to bank lobbies, they're going to corporations. they have got companies like the one i work for, siriusxm, committing money, millions over years to social justice causes. nabisco, all these other companies that are woke and who is asleep? all of the people who actually are supposed to be watching this money. they know where it is. they're not sharing and hawk newsom, you're out of luck because you're not in the club. elizabeth: you know, of course civil rights, of course protest peacefully but we're talking about companies seeing their retail stores get destroyed in these protests in neighborhoods across the country where those neighborhoods will not come back for a generation. you saw what happened with detroit and watts. it takes a really long time to recover after these protests when you burn things to the ground. so black lives mat