ma listed ali baba at the new york stock exchange in 2014 and became china's richest man back then ali baba said it planned to be listed in hong kong as well now the time has come. i'm also grateful that they choose to calm just spite the difficulties despite the challenges that we are going through here in hong kong. ali baba called the listing a vote of confidence for the city hong kong has been rocked by sometimes violent pro-democracy protests for months the protests and the u.s. china trade war have sent the local economy into recession. let's bring in he's a senior market on is there one that joins us from london craig why is this thing so significant for ali baba well i think we have to remember that this is actually the venue that alibaba want to list all those years ago but you to regulate 3 concerns it had to consider and of course new york is not exactly about alternative option but in terms of why you would want to list now but remember this is an extremely profitable company but it does give it extra revenue to continue to invest in the firm and it also gives it access to

we killed you, osama." >> it's mustafa ali!rter: when one night he >> it's mustafa ali! from a fan, ali decided he'd had enough. >> it was a young boy, maybe six, seven years old, jumps out of his chair, and he puts both of his fists up and it hit me like a ton of bricks right there. i go, "you just taught this kid to hate people that look like you." i never felt more disgusted with myself. >> reporter: he had to start all over again, trying to convince promoters in a post-9/11 america that muslim "good guy" could work. >> ali! >> you have to have a certain x factor to make it as a w.w.e. super star, and ali had it in spades. >> reporter: stephanie mcmahon, the brand manager for the w.w.e., pro wrestling's most successful organization, says ali's success tells us something about where we are as a country. historically, professional wrestling has cast villains. they're always the enemy of the country. >> i think in the '80s that was definitely true. we're evolving as a company and hopefully, do the right thing. n> reporter: mayb

ali however was not one of them. what happened that day which saw the seeds of a political divide that would gradually evolve. into a deep religious schism. the division of a slam. into sunni and shia. if you ask a sunni or shia muslim about that moment of mohammed's death and the decision about the leadership you will get 2 very different aunts as the sunnies suggest that he hadn't actually made any clear plans for his succession eyes death the shia would say that he had and that he was to be succeeded by his 1st cousin and son in law ali. 3 months before his death. the prophet muhammad made a famous speech here and he had the home. an ancient resting place on the route from mecca to medina. a speech that has been interpreted ever since in 2 very different ways. all people of forms whoever i've been mustered. island he has to be his mouth to. be supportive of whoever supports him. and then enemy of whoever opposes him. and they felt that through time. this is moment where if your sunni you believe the prophet. gave

the colorful capital of ali. it was in this mosque that the name and identity of the caliph in waiting were finally revealed. they proclaimed a man as if called abu allah. and he was a descendant of one of the prophet mohammed's uncles and he based his claim to the caliphate on that kinship with the prophet mohammed. and 750. bastards entered damascus capital of the mighty mighty it states. the largest empire yet. but in the years to come they would struggle to maintain the unity of the vast state they now controlled. by the mid century the bus and said seize control of the caliphate but did little for their cause. a sense of betrayal to cold and fermented among the islands. in a bold and dangerous move they declare the rival caliphate in medina. and i busted ami was rushed to the city. its roof to sleep crushing the rebellion. in the midst of the but who ordered it up but she and the others and. the moment they lit the assault of it and they had let it cool in a minute little a minute be. as she. at low enough s

ali cousin and son in law of the prophet. to the pressure becoming the force of the russia doing the right kind of us. he needed his plunge fall from being a spiritual sort of lost philosopher poet theologian he's plunged into having to cope with a very very murky political waters. for iraq. bedrock of support for the new caliph ali. abandoning medina he moved this capital here in the face of a growing threat coming from close to the prophet himself. calling for the punishment of off months killers. one of the prophets wives and 2 of his closest companions. and his superiors gathered an army to do battle with the new caliph. it came to be known as the battle of the camp. they set the scene for violent conflicts between moments for my companions ali was victorious and tolerance a barrier defeated are you sure withdrew from public life after this defeat. the islamic state had fallen into its 1st civil war. the 1st but not the last. damascus the syrian capital. and $634.00 and after almost 7 centuries of the roman rule. the city

>> that is correct, ali.utor, erin zelensky, who used to work for robert mueller says there were five categories of lies that stone told and he said this is not a case about politics. this is not a case about russia. he was previewing that the defense may try to make it a case about that. but interestingly, zelensky, one of the most important things and one of the first things he said was that on the very day that the democrats back in 2016 in june announced that they had been hacked by the russians, roger stone called then candidate donald trump. and zelensky said we the government don't know the content of that call. but shortly after that, stone started trying to do everything he could to figure out what wiki leaks had in terms of those hacked democratic e-mails, how they would deploy them, and how the trump campaign could take advantage of that. and he corresponded with paul manafort, who was then the campaign chairman and steve bannon, who the prosecutor said will be a witness in this case later on. ston

>> reporter: that's exactly right, ali.ble to pull it up here but i want to share what we're now hearing from press secretary stephanie grisham about the transcripts released. i'm going to read it in full since this is the first time we're hearing from the white house about this. if you have it, pull it up. otherwise i'll read it off my phone here. she says both transcripts released today shows there's less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham. ambassador sondland saying he doesn't know when, why or by whom the aid was suspended. he said he presumed there was a link to the aid but cannot identify any solid source for that assumption. stephanie grisham continues here that by contrast, volker's testimony confirms there could not have been a quid pro quo because the ukrainians did not know about the military hold at the time. no amount of salacious media bias headlines change the fact that the president has done nothing wrong, end quote. again, that is what we are just getting in now from press secretary stephanie g

another saudi citizen, ali alzabarah, fled the country. according to the "washington post," one of the accounts accessed belonged to a dissident who later became close to jamal khashoggi. "the post" column knits and saudi dissident, who was killed by saudi agents last year. the men are accused of working with a saudi official who leads a charitable organization that is owned by the country's leader, mohammad bin salman, who u.s. intelligence believes approved the operation to kill khashoggi. there is in the criminal complaint a referral to royal family member number one. tonight in a statement twitter told cbs news that it is cooperating with the f.b.i. norah? >> o'donnell: all right, jeff. thank you. more than 48 hours after nine american women and children were massacred in mexico, there are conflicting theories about what happened. family members we spoke to today inside mexico insist their loved ones were intentionally targeted by a drug cartel. we obtained heartbreaking images today of family members gathered at the ambush scene. ther

successful organization, says ali's success tells us something about where we are as a country.torically, professional wrestling has cast villains. they're always the enemy of the country. >> i think in the 80s, that was definitely true. we're evolving as a company, and hopefully, do the right thing. thing. >> reporter: maybe, but in a world that's hardly a liberal honest ldz bed, ali's profile and fan base are both expanding. while america feels like it's about to rip itself apart, you're telling me in pro wrestling arenas around the country, you're actually getting a renewed sense of optimism? >> i am. i'm very, very hopeful. >> reporter: and these days, we'll take hope anywhere we can find it, even in a professional wrestling match. jim axelrod, cbs news, memphis. >> ninan: and that's the "s weekenws" fois sdabs, hw york. thank you for joining us. good night. >>> live, from the cbs bay area studios, this is kpix5 news. >>> now at 6:00, we are following breaking news in san jose where a deadly officer- shoved shooting has shut down part of a freeway. >> a san francisco constru

>> well, ali, the obvious one is bolton. but you know, even beyond bolton, i think there is a real reason for the american people to want to hear from mulvaney and pompeo. and here's why i say that. you know, what we have right now is evidence that's been developed that shows there was not only bribery, but there was a conspiracy to bribe. ambassador sondland, president trump's appointee, said everyone was in the loop. dr. fiona hill told us that, you know, that loop was really the irregular track that was involved in a political earned personally for president trump, who's in that irregular track, that political earned? it was mulvaney, pompeo, giuliani leading the band, and president trump directing everybody. so, if we project forward, ali, what might a vote look like? if votes are strictly along party lines, first in the house on the articles of impeachment, and then in the senate on the trial, conviction, and removal, and nothing changes from where we are, what does that mean? that means that conspiratorial loop that in

ali. >> courtney, thank you very much for reporting on this. courtney, nbc news correspondent at the pentagon. up next, a $35 million ad buy. former new york city republican mayor mike bloomberg officially enters the 2020 presidential race as a democrat. he is skipping early nomination contests like iowa and new hampshire. he isn't taking outside campaign donations. and he can't qualify for upcoming debates. but he says he knows what it takes to beat donald trump. and a trial date of april 20th has been set for two prison guards who were on duty the night before accused sex trafficker jeffrey epstein was found dead in his prison cell. michael thomas and tova noelle are charged with multiple counts of falsifying records and conspiracy to failing to conduct hours of checks on epstein then fabricating records to cover it up. his death was ruled a suicide. we'll be right back. death was r. 'lwel be right back. what i love most about being a scientist at 3m is that i'm part of a community of problem solvers. we make ideas grow. from an everyday solu

thank you, ali, for having me. yes, i think michael bloomberg coming in as a billionaire into this race and having a lot of name recognition, a lot of money behind him, i think is making some people very nervous. i will say that billionaires running, while it may seem new, is actually not that new. billionaires and the elite have always been very involved in policy as patrons of policy behind the scenes for a long time. what we're seeing now is some of that is coming from the backstage to the center stage and we're seeing some interesting reactions made much more explicit in the public debate. >> let's talk about that. patrons of policy because there are some democrats who have already voiced opposition to billionaires being in the race. some sense that they can buy their way into the race. some sense that they represent an out-of-touch elite. michael bloomberg, if he runs, is going to make the argument that he has tried very hard and succeeded on some fronts and put a lot of his personal wealth toward policy chang

khamenei ali al—sistani.tate and i would suspect that every week we will have a sermon that every week we will have a sermon and it will try to push iraqi politicians closer to having some sort of reform, some sort of deal but, fundamentally, the system needs to be reformed. what role, if any, iran, the regional power and iraq's neighbour playing? the united states 01’ was neighbour playing? the united states or was underestimate the psychological importance of occupation in iran underestimates iraqi nationalism and so a lot of iraqi nationalism and so a lot of iraqi anger has been directed at iran. a lot of it is also about economics not just iran. a lot of it is also about economics notjust politics. thank you very much. thank you. now we continue our series exploring the rich history of the african continent. in the second episode, zeinab badawi travels to northern nigeria to visit kanno, one of the oldest states inhabitied by the hausa tribes. and she's granted a rare audience with a local king. kanno, wh

the listing of ali baba that didn't happen. the listing of ali ba ba and that didn't happen. hong kong stock exchange was very smooth, certainly, perhaps more low—profile or low—key than what we would have expected. but the current chairman was there and he talked about how this is a vote of confidence in hong kong and it was about bringing ali baba back home to hong kong, remember, in 2014, when ali babbitt listed in the united states, actually, it initially wanted to list on the hong kong exchange but because of certain technical regulations at the time, to do with share ownership of the company, the firm chose the united states instead. now, notwithstanding the fact there are political protests and this political crisis in hong kong, the company share price did very well on its first day of trading. it's close the day in the last 15 minutes or so, half an hour, i should say, the hong kong stock exchange has closed and we've seen about a six and percent surge in the price of ali babbitt shares. the company says the reason it shows hong kong was to access the appetite from m

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how you doing ali good press always a pleasure to see you on a sunday and i'm really excited to have fellow american dave reneke in the studio are you ready to talk the bundesliga and chris i am excited to be here glad to hear you know 1st things 1st we need to address deck classic and the way byron de railed dortmund off their track of success on saturday the defending champions went from lackluster to dortmund buster ali i'll start with you did you see this coming considering the momentum going into the match no not at all especially with bae and i did not say bye and pulling 4 goals out of the head you know i must admit i thought this was going to be a pretty low quality classic compared to some of the other games we've had last season for example had a great 1st loss here in the season. but you know but it seems have been pretty poor form so far this season dropping a lot of points by an overseas sign that coach dortmund perhaps have thought about cycling that coach already so i did not think this was going to be the best that we've seen recently is dortmund lived up to that and

bedrock of support for the new caliph ali. the bandaging mehdi you know he moved this capital here in the face of a growing threat coming from close to the prophet himself. calling for the punishment of off months killers. one of the prophet's wives and 2 of his closest companions. and his superiors gathered an army to do battle with the new caliph. it came to be known as the battle of the camp. they set the scene for violent conflicts between moments for my companions ali was victorious and top of the bab defeated are you sure withdrew from public life after this defeat. the islamic state had fallen into its 1st civil war. the 1st but not the last. damascus the syrian capital. and $634.00 and after almost 7 centuries on the roman rule. the city was conquered by most. an army commander was appointed governor of the mosques and later the entire province. i mean i mean look at the shammy wiley and there's an incentive. and that's where you are i mean a home with the idea that the n.c.i.c. who let you lay a pile am. some high lev

china's ali baba, boeing and air b&b have news today. first off, boeing. sells of the 737 jet accelerating $6 billion in new orders at the dubai air show one company said it will buy 30 max air jets and boeing signing a separate deal of more than 20 maxes to an undisclosed customer >> a report ali baba will stop taking orders early due to strong investor demand saying the share sale is already well oversubscribed and air b&b -- air bnb preparing for the public market debut. the company cofounder was on mad money last night >> when we provided housing for the olympics in rio. 85,000 people stayed in air bnb home we have a project now through the olympic games where you can stay with a local when you go to the olympics >> getting to the markets and investments. futures are higher the nasdaq happens to be up 28%. a big part of that move has been big tech a key take away from goldman sach's latest hedge fund the funds committed to big tech. the top five stocks, you guessed it, microsoft, amazon, facebook, ali baba and google. they've been at the top of the vip

the latest installment of the ali v show. senator warren's plan was released on the first day of open enrollment for the obama care insurance exchanges and many private insurers. but joining us now to take a close look is elizabeth rosenthal. the editor in chief of kieser health news. elizabeth, good to see you. particularly in person. >> it's good to be here. >> showing the work is great. but i want to read to you part of the statement that the american hospital association put out today. it says one size fits all approach like medicare for all could disrupt coverage for more than 180 million americans who are already covered through employer plans. it goes on to say it could hurt the ability of hospitals and health systems to keep pace with new life-saving advances in medicine, invest in new payments and delivery models, and innovate and transform to meet the future needs of patients. it also says the government can be an unreliable business partner. these things speak to americans' fears. >> yes, they speak to americans' f

of true blockbuster for chinese e-commerce giant ali baba stock market in hong kong as a result success not only for the company itself but also for the besieged city. we're still in business. and big coincidence of a 6 month slowest. i know says it will take a tougher stance on crypto currency. business. good starting with a blockbuster i.p.o. shares in chinese e-commerce giant have surged in its hong kong trading day one of the most anticipated for things the company which is already traded in the u.s. raised more than 11000000000 dollars in its secondary listing on tuesday. shares of ali baba surged almost 8 percent in the 1st few minutes of trading the initial public offering of the online retail giant is the world's largest so far in 2019 the secondary listing in hong kong gives access to chinese mainland investors it also means that shares could be traded almost around the clock now between hong kong and new york was on genius saw the occasion of ali baba's 20.

and manufacturer so that's also 2 very different things and ali baba is making tremendous progress in the cloud computing front and that's pretty much where you see the big difference amazon's net margins the margins are probably only about 7 percent. margins are at 20 percent and that's what accounts for the huge difference a big big difference there time now for a quick break but don't go away because the privacy protocol middle wimble you should stick around just for that name should no longer be considered a viable alternative to casual narrow when it comes to privacy we're going to tell you what one research analyst found and what it means ultimately for privacy and they do it scrutiny continues over to the wildly popular app is now pivoting to other countries we've got that report straight ahead and as we go to break here are the numbers at the close. financial rung today we're going 1st to this is 3 different. we have our 3 of. them from your something in america something over the cayman islands well these banks are complicit in the just have to. do some. ok let's say you know

we are joined by mustafa ali, formally with hip-hop caucus. for years with the environmental protection agency. now he is vice president of the national wildlife federation and he will be co-o-moderating the form tonight with me. yes, democracy now! is here and we will be live streaming this forum tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern standard time around the world. many stations, radio and television stations, will also be broadcasting this forum so we hope you do tune in at democracynow.org or on your local station. this is democracy now! we will be back in a minute. ♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are broadcasting from south carolina state university here in orangeburg unaware tonight on this very stage, the first ever presidential forum on environmental justice will be held. democracy now! we'll be broadcasting and live streaming beginning at 6:00 p.m. eastern. i will be co-moderating with former epa official mustafa ali, who is still with us, former epa official, formally

shares of ali baba surged almost 8 percent in the 1st few minutes of trading the initial public offering of the online retail giant is the world's largest so far in 2019 the secondary listing in hong kong gives access to chinese mainland investors it also means that shares could be traded almost around the clock now between hong kong and new york which on genius saw the occasion of ali baba's 20th anniversary we have our shared in an important milestone which is to come home come back to hong kong for the listing.

the justice department, as you reported, ali, is going to appeal and seek a stay. even if mcgahn -- if that stay is denied and he's forced to come before congress, he can assert executive privilege. he can assert the fifth amendment to protect himself from incrimination. it sends a powerful signal that the past can't just tell people not to come and say, hey, we're not cooperating at all, and it really puts a powerful piece of leverage behind the house committees, the judiciary committee, the intelligence committee, to kind of get the ball rolling on getting some of these high-profile witnesses who they've been absolutely barred from talking to so far. >> glenn, let me ask you about -- i want to -- this particular part of the judge's opinion i want to read to you. when the dochj insists that presidents can legally prevent their senior aides from responding to a lawful process and the congress has no power to do anything about it, doj promotes a conception of separation of power principles that get these constitutional commands exactly backwards. accordingly, doj's

what i think is important, ali, each of these plans cover everybody. democrats ought to be spending 10% of their times talking about those difference. they should start spending 90% of the time talking about the contract of president trump trying to derail the entire court system and trying to get healthcare coverage, period. that's an important for all of them to try to draw. >> they're not making it yet. >> for a short while, they're going to be poking holes in her plan, her plan and her plan to pay for it. >> do you think it works? >> well, look. these numbers are big numbers and -- when you get to numbers that big. if you take my contrast which i allows everybody into the medicare program. she accomplishes that by essentially bringing back the obama era, tax aid and by negotiating for prescription drug prices. it is a lot simpler to understand. people keep their coverage. it is a matter of whether or not you think you need to go bold and big. in which case you will have a lot of -- whether you think you can get into the same place as klobachar. >>

alie: we see hiding of ivory under coffee, under avocados.these methods to conceal these products are very sophisticated. roberts: you might have a legal shipment in a giant shipping container that has 20 tons of capapacity, and that 20 tons o f capacity is filled with 18 tons of dried seaweed or stones or cashew nuts, a perfectly legal international commodity, but two tons of ivory smuggled in. alie: to undertake this type of transaction requires bribery, requires payining people off at each link of the chain. thornton: you can't have that kind o of poaching and that amount of ivory moving outut of a country unless y you have some very big players that are right near the top that are protected people that protecect the people that are doing all ththat destructionon. vira: it's not uncommon for ministers, it's not t uncommon for local governors to be involved. hutson: corruption that extends all l the way to the preresidenl level. the kinds of corruption that couldn't t happen witithout presidentitial authorizatition from the presidedents of

>> well, two things, ali. one is i think traditionally iowa is tough to poll, so you're going to see a lot of variance over the next couple of weeks and numbers are going to bounce around. what i would say is it's going to be interesting. i think sanders and warren are going to be in one lane. in the other, you're going to have buttigieg and biden, and i think there's probably one survivor from each of those lanes. as we observe what happens in iowa, we're going to be looking at relative rankings. we'll have to see if warren can hold on and if buttigieg can hold on against biden. i think buttigieg and warren, if indeed those two do hold on, are going to be the two tickets out of iowa. >> jason, when you look at those top four and you look at everybody else who's still in the race, do you think there are any breakout possibilities? >> well, the breakout possibility right now appears to be mayor pete. i got to be honest with you. these are very, very disappointing numbers if you're bernie sanders or joe biden. b

protests well it's a lot is an assessment scum suggest shortly after iraq's top shia cleric ayatollah ali sistani condemned the use of lethal force against protesters and cold for change in the other ship saying. the parliament from which this current government is drawn is asked to reconsider its choice in this regard. and to act according to iraq's interest and preserve the blood evidence children to prevent the country from slipping into violence chaos and destruction we confirm again that attacks against peaceful protesters are forbidden as well as them being prevented from having the right to demand reforms we also confirm that attacking private and public property is forbidden and that property should not be left to be attacked by infiltrators and their allies so it's led to the civil unrest well the demotion of a popular counterterrorism chief in september fades into small anti-government protests mostly young iraqis who are demands in jobs are now calling for better basic services and an end to corruption the government's responded with force if you were protests spreading from th

chinese e-commerce giant ali baba set new records on singles day the world's largest 24 hour shopping event bringing in over $31000000000.00 in gross sales this was the 11th edition of the annual singles day event which traditionally exceeds the spending by consumers during any single u.s. shopping holiday such as black friday or cyber monday this year ali baba placed a heavy emphasis on live streaming to help sell goods online personalities and celebrities such as kim card ashton jet and tell us what made appearances to boost sales and up the hype factor as it faced competition from other domestic rivals like j.d. dot com and payne blog all all offering their own sales singles day is being held up as a bellwether of the chinese consumers willingness to spend in the face of a domestic slowdown amid the ongoing trade war there was some concern that american brands would suffer but that was evidently. the case american brands came in 2nd by g.m.t. in terms of countries selling to china and there was no evidence that sentiment was on decline given this is the biggest haul in the history

. >> hong kong listed sharesever ing -- of ali baba raise more than 3% as you see there.t puts the stock price around 9 9.6% above its initial listing price. back to the markets and the recent rally joining me now is dan david founder of wolfpack research and dan, i got to say as we talk ali baba, the whole u.s./china trade scenario, one thing that we are paying close attention to is whether or not the ali baba trade is indicative of what chinese firms may be doing in the future just listing in hong kong fair to say this is a hedging type scenario? >> well, i think it is indicative of what other firms will do, though to be fair, ali baba probably planned to do this for a very long time this is where ali baba wanted to list in the first place. they couldn't do that because of the hong kong exchange wouldn't accept a dual class structure. they have since capitulated and now they do. it makes sense for ali baba to be on the hong kong exchange can where mainland china investors who use their platform can buy their stock. so they have the best of both worlds they had the highe

>> well, i think ali, there is a segmentation among people who voted for donald trump. shows core donald trump voters, people are most animated by his campaign, high level of racial resentment and cultural issues were very important to them. those people regardless of what happens in the economy may be incline to stick with it. there is another increment of voters who are more fit in the profile of what the people, harry, just talked to. those are more influenced by the state of the economy. we know that in the industrial midwest was pivotal for trump's victory. manufacturing economy is down and business investment is down and wages are growing but not that much faster than inflation. i think the realization after four years their lives having substantial change is a high risk and vulnerability for president trump. >> i am going to go over the double here. does it seem like there are any democratic candidates that have the right messaging and policy for that table of those kinds of voters we saw in bethlehem. >> there are a lot of them that had both of those things but

ali? >> also some reporting, however, that the president at that time of the phone call, already knew that there was a whistleblower complaint and that it would be looking into whether or not he had done this in exchange for personal gains. that's a sort of a complicating factor. >> exactly right. is that -- yes. does that set up a plausible explanation that the president can then use because there's reporting that he was informed in august, so ten days or more prior, by white house lawyers that this whistleblower complaint alleging an abuse of his power was already working through the system. so then once knowing that, was he saying, i want nothing, as a defense. that's all of what democratic lawmakers and republican lawmakers have to wade through and fair it out and how the public can assess what they think really happened. it getsically cat complicated b timeline becomes critical. >> kelly o'donnell in west palm beach, florida. >> rudy giuliani isn't the only person in president trump's

tariq ali? >> amy, the situation in relation to t the swedes is quie peculiar.y have been at loggerheads amongst themselves as to whether to charge julian with anything since the focus began. when they first started off, the two female prosecutors disagreed. one said there is no case to answer, the other pushed for an investigation. she won out. but every time assange offered come andnterview him, question him in london, they refused to do so. and many of us close to juliann and defending him right from the beginning felt there was something fishy, that they did not really have a case. and julian, who gave up his side of it, was absolutely convinced that the reason this was being done was to lock him up in the swedish prison until the americans were ready -- until the american government was ready to extradite him. he said there can be no other explanation. and with the swedes now dropping the case for the third time and saying it is more or less over -- and one reason they give for being over, the women concerned who made these allegations, it is a long time si