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alina habba joins us. the attorney general there. >> i'm glad you asked, martha. nobody is above the law. i would just like these left-winging das and ags to show us that. show us that. i'm inviting you to show me that nobody is above the law while we have hunter biden, joe biden and all of his friends up in d.c., the deep state that have not been touched. show me no one is above the law, martha? i'm not seeing that. you know what i'm seeing in court in these cases? is that everyone is above the law if they're friends with miss james and d.a. brag and fani willis and jack smith. the only person that is not, the only person that did nothing wrong that will still get persecuted and prosecuted is donald trump because they can't beat him in november. i want to invite them to show me how no one is actually above the law? there's people that we know have broken laws. and we have not seen the system of justice being used the same for them as they are for president trump. president trump did nothing wrong. show me

you just heard the statement from his attorney, alina habba.nticipate we will hear something similar from the former president on truth social. vaughn hits at a really important point, what are we going to hear from his rivals? nikki haley has been out on the campaign trail trying to make the case that these legal challenges are nothing more than a weight around his neck, around the neck of all republicans trying to win back the white house. so far that has not resonated with primary voters. according to the latest polling, 61% of voters do have concerns about mr. trump's multiple felony charges, this is of course a civil case that we are talking about. but as danny was talking about earlier, his first criminal case will go to court, that hush money case next month. so how will that play out? we'll have to see. >> kristen, thank you. >>> let's go back to danny cevallos. you've been going through this and noting some of the pointed and sharp language the judge delivered in making this ruling. >> as this case wore on, after the first few days and

here with reaction, trump legal spokeswoman alina habba is withd us. judge stuck through the e entirent trial to the insane valuation of mar-a-lago at $18 million. it is far closer to fara billix dollars, if you just extrapolate out a two-acre lot being worth $200 million, on sale for $200 million in palm beach. i have many more such examples. the question is, how does the judge get away with being far more guilty of the very thingin they said donald trump was guilty of? >> i think the biggest message t can give the american people tha tonight is that he's not going to get away with it.s is letitia james is not going to get away with it. the biden administration is not going totrat get away with it. there is a point -- and i want to say something different than i normally do. we have the order now. i am free to speak. let me just say, as somebody wh sat there in the trial,in sean -- and i'm so happy you invited me on to say this -- they will not get away with it. we will come a at them.co we will come hard, and we will literally fight until the truth c

alina habba just mentioned this, the presidential records act, that impacted him and that did not impact joe or hillary clinton. s talet me move on, let's talk t your campaign. i know you hate the question, but i have got to ask because it is very real. you go into iowa and came in third place. you go into new hampshire and lost by double digits. in nevada, none of the above basically and not one of these , at least in the primary command you did not take part in the caucus tonight. which i don't know why you didn't d whyo that.ve and then we have the real clear politics average. i will put it up on the screen in your home state of south carolina, donald trump is leading 60-29.3%. my question is if you go to new hampshire, iowa, nevada happens, you lose your home state and even if you lost by double digits, not by 30 points, the question becomes, what is your path to get the delegates to get the nomination? because at that point, i mean my would think you would have toiny win your home state. >> i appreciate you asking that. you know, i will tell you, it is interesting because in iowa th

alina habba said that proved kaplan was biased against them because robbie kaplan was his mentee.an said she never worked on a case with lou kaplan, she barely knew him, they overlapped for less than two years, et cetera, and then alina habba said this seemingly resolves that. we're still going to file a motion for a new trial based on larger bias concerns. robbie kaplan's response raises the specter of rule 11 sanctions. that's when somebody puts forth allegations to the court that they either do not know to be true or are reckless in presenting to the court because they don't go through the due diligence to substantiate them before they put them na court filing. you can be sanctioned as a lawyer for that. the words rule 11 are rules that any lawyer practicing in the federal court never wants to hear come out of an adversary's mouth. >> lisa rubin, thank you so much. >>> a georgia judge is hearing closing arguments in a case that could have major applications for the november election. nbc's jane timm is outside the courthouse. tell us about it, jane. >> reporter: georgia's contr

the alina habba, the attorney for donald trump made it clear in a statement that they will appeal within the next 30 days. we don't have a statement directly from donald trump or his campaign at this point. he is here at mar-a-lago before making stops in the philadelphia area tomorrow, and then a rally just outside of detroit, michigan, tomorrow. i think, though, when we look back on this, you've got to go back to november there, katy, when i was standing outside the courthouse the day donald trump testified, for more than three and a half hours. it was judge engoron who told donald trump directly he would have no choice but to make a quote, negative inference from his quasi answers from the stand. i asked her whether she urged her client, donald trump, to control his answers or directly answer the questions from the new york attorney general's prosecutors, and she told me that she would never ever take on a client just to turn around and tell that client how they should or should not answer the questions. donald trump in this trial made a decision that he was going to defend his family

. >> it appears attorney alina habba will not be representing trump at his appeal of the e.l defamation damages case. trump posted on social media late last night that he is interviewing law firms to represent him. the post came just hours after habba walked back a conflict of interest claim against judge lewis kaplan who presided over the trial and carols attorney, roberta kaplan, and their relation. because both had worked at the same large law firm in the 1990s. herbert kaplan fired back yesterday calling the allegations, utterly basis. she also threatened to file sanctions against habba over the allegations. so, alexi, you asked in your latest prompt, jeff question? >> they just shoot them miles off, alexi. they just shoot their mouths off. again, it just keeps costing them money. when i say they, i'm talking about trumpers everywhere. look at rudy giuliani, shoots his mouth off lies, ruin women's lives and now he's facing bankruptcy. donald trump, who knows, it see facing bankruptcy? he just kept shooting his mouth off. he kept being warned. just wouldn't listen. now, y

and he started screaming as robbie kaplan describes, screaming at alina habba.gh client there. >> there was this other moment there as i was listening to this whole conversation, and it's obviously not just getting my attention but also everyone else's. i want people to just listen to that. >> we come in the room and i say i'm done asking questions, and immediately i hear from the other side off-the-record, off-the-record, off-the-record. so they must have planned it. and he looks at me from across the table and he says see you next tuesday. you could tell it was like -- it was kind of a joke, again, like tee teenage boys would come up with. >> that was a teenage boy level joke. >> okay, george, this is cable. >> i'm not going to spell it out. >> but what did you think when you were sitting there listening to that? >> i mean it's just appalling. he's a pig. and the fact he was president of the united states makes all the more distressing. it was misogynistic, to call a woman that to her face and trying to be cute about it. i mean, it was just disgraceful and the

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kaplan set very strict guidelines for trump attorney alina habba, seen here saying, "i don't know whatpened to your couch's upholstery. why do you ask?" habba, habba limited herself to a series of yes or no questions, which trump failed to answer with just "yes" or "no". instead he did this. "habba: did you instruct anyone to hurt ms. carroll? trump: no, i just wanted to defend myself, my family, and frankly, the presidency." judge kaplan broke in and instructed the jury to disregard everything after "no." which is fitting, because the whole trial is the result of trump disregarding everything after "no." now, trump was supposed to testify on monday, but the trial was delayed after a juror got sick and alina habba also said she was feeling ill and had a fever after being exposed to covid-19. of course, her client could've cured her instantly with a little horse paste and a shot of bleach. but it turns out she did recover kind of quickly, because the very next day, habba was photographed in new hampshire at a trump victory party. busted! [booing] reminds me of when i said my appendix bu

but i will say that what you heard just now in that tape of alina habba leaving the court and yellings, that's what we heard every single day, multiple times during this trial, but yelling at the judge. and it was unbelievably nerve- racking each time it happened, and it happens multiple times every day. >> yeah, thanks for handing that one over to me. [laughter] i think that she had a hard job, and you could definitely see a difference between her sort of style, when he was in the courtroom, and when he was not there. she was much more disciplined and frankly acted more like a lawyer when he wasn't there. when he was, i mean, you could hear him telling her went to object, and loudly being frustrated with her. and i think she felt like she had to say things to the judge and to us and sort of put on a performance, like we just saw in front of that tv cameras. >> e. jean, in terms of what you've just been through, i need, to hear a lawyer's experiences, robbie kaplan, it was nerve-racking to be in this courtroom sometimes. i have to ask you, you know, president trump has kept your name

i have a statement from alina habba here, the trump attorney on this case. we saw her every day coming and going from the courtroom with this. let's put this statement up from her. she says this verdict is a manifest injustice, plain and simple. it's the culmination of a multiyear politically fueled witch hunt designed to take down donald trump. before letitia james ever stepped before in the attorney general's office. there was no wrong doing, no crime and no victim. given the grave stakes, we trust the appellate division will overturn this verdict and end this relentless persecution about my client. this is not just about donald trump, she says. if this decision stands. it will serve as a signal to every single american that new york is no longer open for business. ari, your thoughts on that statement from the attorney? >> yeah, that last line about new york no longer being open for business, it does occur to me if you're the trump organization, if you're eric and donald jr., what are you going to do? i don't know the laws but you move your company to flor

it sounds exactly what we heard from them every day at the courthouse it's one of his attorneys, alina habba, also his legal spokeswoman, issued a statement saying in part, this verdict is a manifest injustice, plain and simple. it is the culmination of a multiyear politically-fuel ed witch hunt that was designed to take down donald trump before latisha james ever stepped foot into the attorney general's office countless hours of testimony, proof prove that there was no wrongdoing, no crime, and no victim. of course, the judge overseeing that case disagreeing with that, finding trump liable for fraud back last fall and then of course, there was this month's long trial where trump testified as to three of his adult children, but they did take this very combative, very contentious approach to this whole case. trump even violated a gag order that restricted him from attacking a court staff. so while this may be a political strategy to try to frame himself as the victim of an unfair legal system. we see in this case. and then just a few weeks ago and the e jean carroll case where he, annalena ha

there was as of course, the e jean carroll trial in new york where trump and his lawyer again, alina habba, took a very combative, very contentious approach and a jury in that case hit, awarded her eight of over $80 so i think there is a fair question for the trump legal team today. yes. >> being allowed murder, arguing that you are a victim of an unfair judicial system may possibly work with your supporters, may work in the court of public opinion, but in a court of law, the decisions that are being handed down are not great for your client. and i mean, this is something that is a pretty serious financial hit for the former president. and we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. now in penalties and jury awards. >> yeah, that's right. is himalayans paula latisha james. let's also just put this into context. this is an attorney general who's been i guess, an equal opportunity offender when it comes to holding people to account, she had of course, that blistering report will go a couple of blistering for its when it came to ousted governor andrew cuomo on how he dealt with covi

. >> reporter: trump lawyer alina habba called the verdict a manifest injustice and said an appeal battlecoming. the former president reacted late today. >> it's a very sad day for, in my opinion, the country. a new york state judge just ruled -- and he is crooked as you can get, and a lot of people expected something like this, but not f for the amount. >> reporter: in his ruling, judge arthur and goran set of trump on the other defendants, their complete lack of remorse orders on pathological. >> this whole thing is very unfair. >> reporter: trump himself took the stand two times. the judge said his refusal to answer the questions directly, or in some places, at all, severely compromised his credibility. judge to be 23 had already ruled that trump and his sons and company executives committed years of business fraud. fraudulently inflating their assets to boost the former president's net worth. including his trump tower penthouse and mar-a-lago, exaggerating its value by as much as 2300%. today's penalty caps a three month trial in a lawsuit brought by new york attorney general letitia

my name is alina habba. i'm the attorney for president trump in the second defamation trial of e. jean carroll. the judge has been very unfair from the beginning, and i want to make this perfectly clear. i am new at this and i am learning. now, the president may or may not stop for brief remarks, but due to a strict gag order, he will not be commenting on anything pertaining to this case, ms. carroll, or the judge. oh, i think he's coming now. >> oh, well, thank you, alina. you're great on tv. maybe the worst lawyer i've ever had, which is quite an accomplishment. look at this team. this is the bottom of the barrel, folks. this is who said "yes." i'm in the lead for president, and this is the best i can get. feels like a red flag, no? well, you're not getting paid, by the way. you know that. of course you do. alright. thank you. thank you, guys. i'll see you at shakey's. you can get out of here. but we are here at courthouse. and, yes, we will be abiding by this horrible gag order. so i will not be saying that the judge is an idiot or where he lives or what kind of crappy car he d

. >> i want to ask you before you go, ty, alina habba, trump's lawyer who lost the case in the e.n carroll $83 million settlement. trump has indicated he is looking for new representation for his appeal. she represented him, and she said in a recent interview, she talked about that, what it was like working with him. here's what she said. >> winning always helps. he doesn't want anybody on his team representing him that's going to keep failing, of course. loyalty, it's something he talks about all the time. but loyalty in not a cryptic mafia way. >> so he did say he is looking for new representation. you worked for him. what do you -- for the white house. so you know him. what do you think about how she has handled the case? >> i think she's handled in the mafia way. she has done his bidding. she portrayed his narrative of victimization and made outlandish claims and she lost. so she is a loser. i'm not surprised that trump is looking for appellate representation. >> all right. well, ty, thank you very much. i appreciate your time, as always. >> my pleasure. thank you, erin. >> al

trump's attorney alina habba slamming the decision and said trump plans to appeal. lydia has more for us. >> hey, charles. donald trump and his real estate empire hit with a $364 million judgment. responsible for $354.9 million for that. he's been barred from running business asews and assets include properties like his personal residence, old post-office on wall street and property in florida mar-a-lago. trump's attorney said in a statement this "the court today ignored the law, ignored the facts and signed off on the attorney general's manifestly unjust political crusade against the front runner". donald trump sons eric and donald trump jr., they're also banned from doing business in the state of new york for three years. the lawsuit filed by learfield imgty supra aural headphones james and that judgment is no doubt sizable more than $350 million, note that james was seeking a lifetime ban doing business in the state of new york and getting a three year ban and we expect to hear more from letitia james. charles: florida attorney general and beginning with a law an

alina habba, thank you.up, we're about to learn even more about joe biden's disastrous special counsel report. we'll check in with newt gingrich and we'll tell you why team bide shouldn't be terrified tonight straight ahead. >> sean: now fallout continues for joe biden after the doj's damming report on his mishandling of classified documents and now fox news digital, they are reporting that special counsel herr will, in fact, testify in front of the house judiciary committee that's next month. jim jordan is also demanding that joe biden's ghostwriter turn over any interview recordings, transcripts or other materials from his time working with the president. the report found that biden shared classified information with the ghostwriter on multiple occasions and suggested that the author delete recordings after the special counsel investigation began. by the way, since the report came out, the media mob, they can't even cover for biden anymore, and the administration is angry, so their hack spokesperson for th

i want to note for you and our viewers, alina habba represents weisselberg in this case as his civil lawyer, and her letter to judge engoran which he did not directly call out really begs the question of what she knows. i'll read to you from it. we do not represent him, meaning mr. weisselberg, in connection with any criminal matters, i have not spoken with the new york district attorney's office about any of the matters discussed in "the new york times" article. that's the article that disclosed that mr. weisselberg is allegedly in plea negotiations with that office. she continues, in an abundance of caution i have conferred with my ethics counsel and advised i'm restrained with my obligations from providing any further detail. what's not in there, of course, is any denial that allen weisselberg, in fact, might have perjured himself during his testimony. no matter, judge engoran says it won't affecting the timing of his ruling but puts those folks on notice, if anybody perjured themself in my courtroom, i want to know about it. and i likely think this is not the end of that inquiry,

robbie did the closing, and then his lawyer, trump's lawyer, alina habba did her closing, and i got up to sort of rebut the arguments she made, which is usually a fun thing because you're not scripting, and robbi's approach was i'm going to tell it like it is, ignore the noise when he walks out of the courtroom. alina went and she brought up the temperature and was sort of shouting and making these points that we view it as not only wrong but pretty offensive. like e. jean asked for this, e. jean benefitted from the fact this guy sexually assaulted her and then defamed her. so i was feeling pretty fired up at that time. and, you know, i didn't really think about it as, like, i'm going to go up here and point at the former president. i thought this is just a guy who's done a lot of really bad things and who has behaved like a petulant 5-year-old for the last two weeks, and i want to make sure the jury sees that. so that's what i did, and he kind of glared at me. and i was like, okay, you're not going to really scare us. i think e. jean has said in a couple of interviews that she was ver

. >> martha: i spoke yesterday with alina habba, trump's attorney, on this case. her, you know, is he going to pay this money. what is the plan? here's what she said. >> within 30 days if we choose to appeal it, we have to post the bond, which is the full amount and some and we'll be prepared to do that. >> martha: she says they're prepared to do that. it's a lot of money, a lot of people speculating about which properties he might part with in order to meet that. what do you think? >> well, this is another aspect of the case that has troubled a lot of people. for many of us, looks like you're trying to appeal a court order to take your hope but you have to sell your home to appeal the order. i don't think that trump is going to have to liquidate assets particularly on the bond route. with the bond, you lose part of that money. so it would cost him a great deal of money etch if he were to win. but making this judgment so large, the judge makes it difficult to appeal his decision and it guarantees that trump will lose considerable money even if he wins. trump could

that was something that donald and alina habba and his attorneys wanted to try desperately to do, tompugn my credibility in hopes that this decision would not be where it is. i actually thought the amount would be and should be higher, but i defer to judge engoron. >> we're going to talk about the piece referencing your credibility in a minute but first get through your sense of donald trump. what's going to matter more to him, the dollar amount or the fact that he's barred from doing business in new york for three years? >> i think it's the dollar amount. because that's the immediate issue that he has to contend with. where does he come up with $355 million? that's exclusive of the $86 million or $88.6 million that he owes to e. jean carroll in that civil case. this is a staggering amount of money for virtually anybody. maybe there's a handful of people in the entire country who can afford to write a check for half a billion dollars. donald is not one of them. right now the pressing issue if he's going to appeal, how does he appeal? does he put up a cash bond? where is he getting th

a big point about this trial is that the former president and his lawyers, alina habba in particular, really made the point that this is politically motivated. you have leticia james campaigning with the pledge, the promise that she would go after donald trump. so just bringing this case was an attempt by her to deliver on this promise. you are correct, she is not getting everything that she sought. she's getting some of what she sought. so maybe it's not a complete victory in her eyes, but it is not everything that she, you know, that she set out to accomplish here. cheryl: i'm also saying that the court -- it's not just donald trump, it's alan weisselberg, his testimony because key in this, and jeffrey makani from serving as directors or officers of any new york corporation for three years. look, if they start to add interest to this, this could climb. correct me if i'm wrong, this could climb to, what, $400 million because of the? and by the way, let's just wait for the appeal, because you know that's coming. anyway, what about that $400 million figure, do you think we're going to

trump's lawyer alina habba as quote a manifest injustice and she vows an appeal the trump legacy the art of the deal now it seems hangs in the balance. shannon? >> shannon: eric shawn, you have been on this from the beginning. thank you very much. we are going to hear from the former president in just moments. we will take you there and monitor that for news. >> in the mean full-time the fulton county georgia district attorney in charge of the prosecution of the former president did not testify today in her ms. conduct hearing. fani willis is accused of having improper relationship with a colleague. today it was her father's turn on the stand. correspondent steve harrigan is in atlanta tonight. good evening, steve. >> good evening. we thought we were going to see fani willis today. everyone expected her. issue stead, we got her father instead who took the stand and he explained why it was quite likely that his daughter would repay her boyfriend, nathan wade in cash. >> it's a black thing, okay? you know, i was trained and most black folks they hide cash or they keep cash. and i was -

the trump organization is calling this a groce mischaracterization of justice, and alina habba has already said they will appeal. joining me is melissa murray, law professor at new york university and msnbc legal analyst. tim o'brien, senior executive editor at bloomberg opinion, and msnbc political analyst. and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general for new york and author of "taking down trump, 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." thank you for being here. i'm going to go to you, tim. you wrote a piece entitled, trump loved new york. now it's giving him the boot. you write, the former president fashioned himself as a gotham tycoon and longed to be accepted in its elite business circles. the rejection from that world may sting more than the severe financial penalties. say more. >> well, you know, when we talk about the trump legacy, we should remember that we're not talking about the rockefellers or the roosevelts or the business or political sense. it's sort of a pulp novel version of those families, but nonetheless, trump spent decades fas

you have, from the hill, alina habba saying trump is the greatest businessman out there. >> she got paid extra to say that. >> quote, the president is one of the smartest businessman and one of the greatest presidents we have ever seen. doesn't have anything to do with anything. but if she thinks she is going to take him down, that goal will not be successful. that is the message i can give everyone listening here. it will not be successful. what part of this process does the court call bs on this? that is, essentially, where we are. >> i think that is kind of what judge engoron did yesterday when he rejected the i request to stay this judgment for 30 days. he said, you haven't given me any good reason. take it up with a quarter of appeals if you want to take it up, right? i think he'll be taken up on that. i think trump's attorneys will move -- they may move to stay this judgment. again, if they post the bond and appeal it will be stayed pending that. they just need to take those steps. i think judge engoron said, look, you have another mechanism. you've said you are going to appeal thi

trump is not the only one on the trump side who has no idea how any of this works his attorney, alina habbascolded in court by the judge for repeatedly asking for the trial to be adjourned after that request was already rejected basically, trump's team wants the case adjourned so trump can attend the mother-in-law's funeral. but trump is not required to attend the trial he doesn't have to be there. so, there's no reason to adjourn. he can just go and do what he wants. the judge keeps repeating that and trump's lawyers keep asking anyway, because they're just trying to delay the trial and create conflict for political purposes and that has led to multiple tense exchanges in the courtroom. >> now, they previously asked if the whole case could be pushed back because of this funeral this was denied. but she brought it up today and modified her request she said, "instead, can we just not have court on thursday so he can attend a funeral." the judge didn't seem to like she was bringing this up again reminded her that she already got an answer and said no. he doesn't have any need to be there ever

we are hearing right now from trump's legal team including alina habba on truth social. this is a bit lengthy. bare with me. this verdict is a manifest in justice, plain and simple. the culmination of a multiyear polit-tilley fueled witch hunt that was designed to take down donald trump before letitia james, the new york attorney general who ever stepped foot in attorney general's office. countless times and countless hours of testimony to prove that there was no wrong doing, no crime and no victim. given the graves stakes, we trust the appellate division will overturn this verdict. let me make one thing perfectly clear. this is not just about donald trump. if this decision stands, it will serve as a signal to every single american that new york is no longer open for business. others in the trump team have sort of echoed this sentiment that new york is very unfriendly to successful businesses. they will heed what happened to donald trump as a sign that by the grace of god, i don't want anything to do with doing business in the big apple. we have seen many leave new york

look >> so, john, his lawyer, alina habba, is threatening revenge against the new york judge and prosecutor. take a listen to some of what she said on fox. yeah >> i think the biggest message i can give the american people tonight is that he's not going to get away with that. letitia james is not going to get away with it. the biden administration is not going to get away with that. they will not get away with it. we will come at them, we will come hard, and we will literally fight until the truth comes out. >> not so what form is this kind of revenge likely to take? >> yeah i mean, i guess we'll have to watch. obviously, part of it is attempting to publicly humiliate and intimidate these folks. let's rarely do you see a lawyer on television basically discarding the concept of the rule of law, basically discarding the idea that the court system works. so, yeah, i think what you're going to end up with, at least in the short term, is not a lot of vitriol towards the officers of the court, and the various courts where donald trump is facing civil suits and criminal charges. >> law speaking to

. >> if alina habba, who called this ruling manifest injustice, saying it politically field, saying there is no crime, no victim, here's what trump said last night. >> there was no fraud. the banks all got their money, 100%. there were no victims. the banks made a lot of money. they might 100 billion dollars. by the way, i paid approximately $300 million and taxes. >> okay, but vaughn, judge engoron wrote in his role in, quote, timely and total repayment of the loans does not extinguish the harms false statements inflict on the marketplace. he added, the common excuses that everybody does it is all the more recent to try for honesty and transparency and to be vigilant and enforcing the rules. do you have a sense of where an appeals court could settle between these two arguments? >> i think this is part that we expect to hear from the appellate division. of course, donald trump contested that he believes that the appellate court will roll in his favor. this comes down to that discussion over the extent to which anybody who was a victim or harmed by this. the prosecutors for the new york at

. >> i do want to play a quick clip from trump's attorney, alina habba, here's her response. >> if id file the appeal now, i would, you know, there's no surprises coming here. it's much of the same that we've seen in new york and i'll be loud and booming right after we get the decision. i mean, i'm not -- i don't have high hopes. >> charles, she doesn't have high hopes. she's saying no surprises. what do you think? >> there are no surprises. we know what's coming and at this point they're reading from a script, particularly when it comes to him and these judgments. these are things that they know are not going to go their way. it's just a question of how bad is bad in terms of what judge engoron is going to decide. so this is not a surprise to anyone including her and she's basically at this point got a template for the appeal and just got to plug in the numbers. i mean, whatever arguments that she's going to make, they're really going to be, well, is it appropriate to bar us for whatever period that you've barred us if he goes that route, and we're going to argue about the amount of

>> well so far every attempt, and mostly it was by alina habba so we already know where the result is going to be on that one. every attempt regarding presidential immunity has failed. and rightfully so, first of all, the issue is not that he took them when he was the president of the united states. the issue is, is that they had lied. they had filed documents claiming that they had returned everything, and clearly they did not, and he continue still refusing to return the documents. that's part of that document case. i don't suspect that he'll be successful on this. go around either. and so of course of course, his lawyers are filing this late motion. the purpose for that we all know it's delayed delay, delay, and in the event that he loses, as he will, they will then just go back to their supporters and say we need more money for the lawyers. so that way they can file appeals on that is well, it's all a delay game >> it's a very expensive delay game, as you, as you noted, expensive for him though, abby, it's another player for him though. it's expensive for everybody else that's foo

well aware of their inherent advantage going into this case on fox news, one of trump's lawyers, alina habba of her way to name-check justice brett kavanaugh as someone trump was counting on to rule in his favor. >> i think it should be a slam dunk in the supreme court. i have faith in them you know, people like kavanaugh, who the president fought for, who the president went through hell to get into place, he'll step up. those people will step up. >> seth: she's talking about a supreme court justice the way a mobster talks about one of his street captains. "we need someone to take out the russians don't worry. kavanaugh will step up he owes us for the thing with and the guy and the thing. [ laughter ] now, as you may recall, the colorado supreme court ruled that trump was ineligible for the ballot based on the 14th amendment's insurrectionist clause, which bars anyone who takes an oath to uphold the constitution but then engages in insurrection or rebellion against the u.s. from holding state or federal office. the amendment was ratified after the civil war to bar former confederates from se

often, but in this case seth and i are on the same page." [ laughter ] trump's current lawyer, alina habbaatedly scolded by the judge in the defamation trial for breaking court rules and being extremely bad at her job at one point the judge told her to "refresh her memory" on how to introduce evidence, and at another point, the judge instructed the jury to disregard what she was saying. and after the stunning verdict came down last week, habba complained about the judge outside the courthouse >> before i walked into court, that judge decided that every single defense president trump had we were not allowed to raise in front of the jury there was no proof and i couldn't prove that she didn't bring in the dress, there was no dna, there was no expert, my experts were denied two of them. two of them were denied to come in >> seth: "two of my experts were denied to come in because the judge said they looked suspiciously like donald trump [ laughter ] when they were clearly moustache man and cowboy guy!" as this trial has proved yet again, the republican party is not a serious party full of seri

reaction to jonathan turley on this poison pill aspect, and you're going to see trump attorney alina habba on this. watch this. >> and what's really insidious about this is that there's another provision in new york law that requires trump to pony up the full amount or to get a bond for that amount just to appeal if this decision. so it's sort of a perverse incentive for figures like this judge. ing if you -- he made this so is large that it could force trump to liquidate assets in new york just to be able to get can other judges to look at this. so it's a grossly unfair situation, rain if i expect a lot of businesses are very uneasy after watching this unfold. >> within 30 days even if we choose to appeal this, which we will, we have to post the bond which is the full amount and some, and we will be are prepared to do that. elizabeth: culley, your reaction to that because the associated press and the new york time, they looked at the case history here. they've not seen anything like this. >> that's because trump is suis generous. he's a unique individual. i think it's actually a double de

most of these legal fees filed yesterday shows he's continuing to place tom blanch, chris kise, alina habbaue to the supreme court if it gets that far, those are people he's paying big sums of money to. todd blanche's firm almost $400,000, john lauro, more than $500,000. >> in what period of time? >> just in january. that could be reflective of invoices that have accumulated for some period of time before then, and we'd have to compare them to his year end filing for 2023 to see, but the bottom line is that save america has about $4.3 million in cash on hand right now and blew through over $60 million last year, 50 million of which was on legal fees alone. he has shouldered the legal burden for tons of other people in addition to his himself. witnesses, co-defendants, for example, like walt nauta and carlos de oliveira, and the case before judge cannon. it's all very dizzying. if you're to take away one thing from this, it's that his legal bills are only mounting and the pile of cash for from which he has to draw upon is dwindling. >> a matter of curiosity, top level lawyer, how much do the

and as alina habba jusbbits hatd they're going to continue to fight and this will be overturned on appeal the valuations do not make sense, but it doesn't matter to them because they're just out to get him. they're trying to do the ultimate in election going interference and it's not going to work ifk. . >> people see through it. let's get your take. matt whitakeet your r. king you know, working as an attorney general, let me ask you, as you look at this case and you look at a an attorney general running for office saying they're going after one persone go,e one organization, one family, and then follows through, i guese family s you can argue that,ttorne you know, the attorney general of ndw york fulfilley her campaign promise today. >> is that true? >> yeah, it is true, unfortunately. and, you know, we're a nation of laws, men. but, you know, right now we live in a place where the left wing democrats in these blue states and bluetates an jurisdictions are solely focused on taking donaldow trump down. the know, when you misapplied the facts and the law in the wrong court, i mean, this is

now, trump's attorney, alina habba, issuing a statement saying, but the court blatantly refuse to follow a binding appellate division decision nord and twisted the evidence and impose a draconian and unconstitutiona l fine and a corporate death penalty on president trump, his family, and the extraordinary global business empire he developed over a lifetime of hard work and achievement pardon i'm trump also issued his own statement calling this ruling a sham. and as you heard, the attorney general taking a victory lap saying this was a tremendous victory yeah, sure. >> sure. certainly. did. kara scannell. thank you so much. if you could stand by for us. let's bring in our legal experts and are trump campaign correspondent as well? karen friedman, agnifilo to you, this ruling is a major blow to donald trump personally. and through his businesses. what's your reaction? >> this is a very, very significant verdict in addition to being almost half $1 billion. when you factor in the interests that he's going to have to pay the erin my apologies. >> former president donald trump, a judge, just r

we remember alina habba, one of his attorneys basically saying we hope kavanaugh does the right thing on the 14th amendment. i don't think that cabinet is going to side that way in the 14th amendment. i think he's got this small shred of hope that perhaps some who put him there might side with them, but what i've heard from the trump folks is they very much no, they're going to lose on immunity, but they're still counting this as a victory because it gives them more time and it just gives them a bit more time that they could potentially be pushed past the election. and one of the latest stats is 52% of republicans would consider not supporting him if there is a conviction by election day. so this is i mean, to donald trump, this is the whole game. came as far as winning the presidency. >> we've got to start with those polls. we have to start asking which conviction because i think we'd see different results for the hush money case versus the january 6 because it's very important, which is the only case going forward starting next month, there are very few living breathing republicans

you'll see a lot more alina habbas.cause those people won't work in the trump white house. >> there's a political dimension to all of this, carol, that i want you to help me understand. this is a little bit more from the reporting first. as he runs for another term trump talks about judicial issues in less detail than he did during his first run. his unwillingness to speak about the supreme court and conservative judicial issues has concerned some allies. the former president talks less frequently than he once did about judges and does not plan to make judges a centerpiece of his campaign, campaign advisers say. even though conservatives view the topic as one of the most substantial accomplishments and one that motivated many of his supporters in 2016, he has not issued a new list of potential nominees. what is going on there, carol? >> keep in mind that the supreme court justices who were named, donald trump believed that they owed their jobs to him and that they should rule in his favor. and remember how the supreme c