but if trump were invalidated by the ballot in michigan like alina kegan said today, look what happens? he drops down to two 68. this then becomes -- whoever wins michigan would win the presidency in this scenario. so this does become a decisive state. and that is not something that is kind of out of the realm of possibilities. >> it's important when she brings that up, and we can walk through this, the state at the heart of this case here, colorado. so would that have real impact in the battle for two 70 if trump was actually not on the ballot here? >> i mean, it could. we will see how it plays out. but right now in our race ratings we have colorado leaning blue. joe biden went last time by a pretty significant margin. it is not clear that the trump people are going to fully campaign here. so honestly, look at donald trump's numbers, i mean, if it were a battleground state, if it stays blue, it doesn't really affect trump's numbers whether he's on the ballot or not if indeed it is leading towards joe biden. >> if obviously colorado were to stay, i, mean looking at the justices, it see

it was a combination of the practicalities of the situation, just as alina kegan said, you want one state happen nationally. this seems like an awfully national question that we're wrestling with here. also, the history of the 14th amendment section three, they don't seem to buy the argument that somehow it would include donald trump on ballots. perhaps because congress needs to authorize legislation, perhaps because the terms the amendment don't cover donald trump. one way or another we could almost get to nine votes to reverse the supreme court. >> both of them the bush speak or cases. we know atmospherically it is interesting, when you say that it is different you meant that because of bush v gore it was clear that there are four dust justices who could support the florida supreme court one way and five who -- you are saying this time it's more unanimous. but atmospherically, tell us, -- >> that was different. remember during bush fee gore, remember that it hung on to one vote. you and i thought once they cut off the votes in florida, because of the year 2000, that the court was going