there is this criticism which i found interesting of saul alinsky the great kind of organizer out of chicago wrote rules for radicals i mean quite successful as an organizer well it depends on how you define success and i think that's one of the things that's interesting i mean as i say in the book i mean i have rules for radicals behind my desk at the nation and you know i've had it behind my at my back for i don't know 35 years it's influenced everybody from barack obama to hillary clinton but. you know i think it's influenced them a lot and i think that's part of a problem maybe the negative and that's that's why i found jane's critique of alinsky so interesting because her point is when you do organizing when you do when you're organizing workers the question is who has agency do the workers have agency themselves or do that does the organizer have agency and alinsky was constantly telling his funders and his sponsors that he was the alternative to this to communist organizers in the cia oh he said you know the churches funded him in back of the yards because he said i can beat t