i get a call from the then mayor joseph alioto.t are you doing, making a big pot of pasta. [laughter] no, mr. mayor, i'm reading "the new york times." [laughter] he used to come in the afternoon in those days before all of the technology. and my kids are playing there. and this is after school. and he said, well, i'm calling for ask you to serve on the library commission. [ cheers ] so i say to him, and he said because i know you love the library, kids and you all hang out there and everything. we go there all the time, help with the books, this or that. this is -- this is almost 40 years ago. so i said, no, mr. mayor, don't give me that appointment. i love the library. i'll doing that. i don't need to be recognized as the library commissioner. and this man, not known as a feminist, but nonetheless said to me, nancy, you're doing the work, get the official recognition for it. and that was one of the best messages that i had. [applause] he said -- and, of course, no man would have ever said that. don't appoint me, i'll just carry th