host: alissa quart. guest: that is absolutely right. the human infrastructure, the care of economy, or whatever you have it, the fact that is given space, even though it will need a granite wall of republican opposition and turncoat democrat opposition, i think we need to keep our eye on that. i'm not sure how long ago but hillary clinton said about paid family leave, we are not ready for that. when he asked her about that. this is happening in the near 10 years, this transformation of the understanding that america should look like other developed nations in the world that has some kind of structure. it has given me hope, the level in which the progressives were able to get their messaging out there and sort of influence in terms of language and i think human infrastructure was originally an bernie sanders, who is in my book too, but it was a term bernie sanders used. i think these are the ways we are going to lead to change. it might not happen this time but it will happen next time. host: the podcast