that leadership development and they like goal to go all around and often we misinterpret what allah baker said. she was talking about a very specific context of strong leaders with a charismatic leadership of the movement time and charismatic. and with that. one of the reasons i can get any sleep at night but strong leaders across the movement. but the second is a commitment to healing justice as dna organization. so actually what provided the earliest definition that she about identified with identified with two or generational, and the impact or four people were so honestly to the recovery petition every week it will be there. have to show up. they will not do the work for you. but we expect them to containers that work and a popular movement. one of the things that we struggle with. that this organization is expectation. we cannot do everything. >> in real life. the net is unrealistic. people do the work of that is to but not about you. and what are going through. >> debut. then we have to separate out. >> what you donate a network of healing practitioner. not just put a certain addres