. >> and following up with a discussion about nelson mandela is allan bosak. >> i appreciate you beingere. i have to point out you are an iconic and important figure in your own right remember we are talking about a man that is more than a generation behind nelson mandela a and involved in the se struggle. can you talk about the inspiration that he was even those years a he was hidden awa. >> he was an invises invis i ir and he is a strong symbol of the memory othe -- in the memory ofe people of what he left behind. hiand his determination to stand for the ideals he stood for. >> he was an indescribable inspiration for us. i have never heard his voice or seen his face but every time i spoke about mandela i knew this was the leader h we need. >> was he able to give direction to those of you involved in the movement to thre try to change things. >> the only contact with the outside word was his lawyer and his wife. and they could not speak strategy in prison where everything's was tamed and the police new what wal was going o. what he fought for and struggled for and was willing to sacri